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    Hives, eczema, diarrhea, and kids

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    I feel like I'm going crazy... My children have had VERY loose stools their entire lives. My son - 5yo, has bad eczema in winter (almost bloody). My daughter 1.5yo has started to develop eczema and hives within the last month. Not to mention the constant runny noses, and congestion that plaques them every fall - spring. They have been tested for celiacs, which came back negative. My son was tested for a wheat allergy which came back just a tiny bit below what they consider positive (he had a 3.4 and you need a 3.5) for some reason my daughter was not tested for wheat or dairy.

    Their doctor suggested we do some stool sampling to test for parasites, cryptosporidium, amoebas and things like that. I, on the other hand would like to try to eliminate all wheat and probably dairy for a few weeks and see if things get better. The doctor is cool with it, especially when I explained that I have a pretty severe reaction to wheat when I eat it (skin issues, GI issues, anxiety).

    I'm wondering if anyone else reacts to certain foods even if they don't have any positive results with allergy testing. Also anyone else dealing with similar issues with their kids (or themselves).

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    It depends on what kind of allergy testing was done. You can be intolerant/sensitive to wheat without an allergy. It's not an anti-body thing, just your gut not being able to deal with it (which can in turn affect mood and skin condition). Absolutely eliminate wheat for a trial period. I would say go for a full month if possible, but kids will show positive results sooner than adults.

    Do allergy medications help their congestion?
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    Yes, we use benadryl to help with their coughing fits. Helps greatly

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    I've recently discovered that wheat causes a small patch of red rash (eczema?) to flare up on my chin. Before I went primal I had this patch constantly, and tried all sorts of topical treatments. I also alternated between severe constipation and diarrhea for years, with a large helping of acid reflux to boot. Tried all the doctors recommendations, up to and including prescription meds. Nothing worked until I discovered primal and ditched the grains. Now I only get that darn patch and tummy troubles if I eat poorly (wheat primarily is the trigger for me). I would definitely try an elimination diet before putting the kids through any medical tests.

    Best of luck to you in getting to the bottom of this!

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    On the loose stools, too much fruit or juice especially dried fruit like raisins can cause it. So can lactose intolerance as well as various allergies. Too much fiber can also bring it on. Sometimes acidic foods like tomato sauce can give kids the runs. For my kids I had to limit applesauce or they would have the runs. As far as the exzema goes there could be many things from perfumes and dyes in laundry soap or fabric softener to dust mites to food allergies. My son gets exzema from any form of corn or soy. My one daughter gets nasty exzema only in the winter and I suspect it is a lack of vitamin D(she is 20). On the constant colds and snotty noses, if they are in school or daycare you are stuck with that. The germs just round robin around. My son is six and in kindergarten and he has brought home all kinds of crud that the rest of us have caught. I've had bronchitis for going on a month now from something he brought home. It just takes a few years before their immune systems can fight it all off and they've had enough of the bugs that they just don't catch as many any more. It is just going to take some detective work to figure it out.

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    Allergy testing is hit or miss. It is sometimes not accurate. I suggest doing a blood test and a skin test, both. Celiacs is also very difficult to test for and accurately diagnose. You can only know for sure with the food tracking.

    I am baffled why you only tested for wheat. Why not barley, oats, etc? Why not soy? Why not tree nuts? Why not peanuts? People can be allergic to anything. Go to a doctor, and ask them for allergy tests. there's no reason not to get allergy tests. I had eczema, diarrhea, hives, runny nose, headaches for several years. Turns out I was allergic to wheat, barley, oats, sesame, peanuts, tree nuts, soy, and avocado. These are all foods I ate fairly often, many on a daily basis. Some of my shampoos and soaps even had the ingredients in them, making my eczema worse.

    This sounds like a food allergy for sure. And it's probably something, or a combination of things, you are feeding your kids on a daily basis.

    People can be allergic to anything. Get allergy tests, get them again, and maybe a third time to be sure. Some people are allergic to detergents, some people are allergic to cat dander, some people are allergic to nitrates and sulfates, some people are allergic to sugar. At least get tested for the top 8 FDA recognized food allergens (Wheat, Soy, Tree Nuts, Peanuts, Shellfish, Fish, Eggs, Milk).


    As for food that I react to that did not show up on my allergy tests: Peas. I think it's because they are botanically similar to soybeans and peanuts, and I am perhaps experiencing a cross reaction (when my body fasly identifies it as being the thing I'm allergic to, because it's similar).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kathleen View Post
    I am baffled why you only tested for wheat. Why not barley, oats, etc? Why not soy? Why not tree nuts? Why not peanuts? People can be allergic to anything. Go to a doctor, and ask them for allergy tests. there's no reason not to get allergy tests. I had eczema, diarrhea, hives, runny nose, headaches for several years. Turns out I was allergic to wheat, barley, oats, sesame, peanuts, tree nuts, soy, and avocado. These are all foods I ate fairly often, many on a daily basis. Some of my shampoos and soaps even had the ingredients in them, making my eczema worse.
    I am baffled also to be honest to me it seems clear it is an allergy thing, not a GI thing, but I don't want to get into a rant about my kids crazy but wonderful doctor. I'm going to try the food elimination stuff to start and get them tested for everything in fall (insurance switch).

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    Oh. My. Lordy. I could tell you tales of the search for the causes of all of that in this family... Loooooong story short, after thorough blood, skin prick, stool, biopsy, bad bug, and every other kind of testing done by an extremely well-known hospital, my kids' results for ALL OF IT came back - negative. Yet they still had all the symptoms. I could have torn out my hair.

    So, with all their docs' knowledge, because we all work well together, I did a huge dietary experiment at home. Nice and strict and slow and careful. Upshot - one is sensitive to all dairy regardless of animal as well as gluten. The other is living the Specific Carbohydrate Diet. All symptoms are gone and have been for years now. They only reappear, in much milder form, when someone inadvertently got glutened or the like.

    But I am still glad I got the tests for the parasites and bad bacterial infections. I just liked knowing that was off the table. If I remember correctly, we just had to give up some poop, nothing invasive.

    For what it is worth, a few of us are chemically sensitive as well and I have long since converted to a non-toxic household. The stuff I grew up with that turned out to be bad for me (rashes and hives and urticaria) personally: Downy, Dial soap, Crest toothpaste, Tide laundry detergent, Bounce dryer sheets, alcohol-based facial toners, petroleum-based skin lotions, ester of wood rosin in soda, artificial food preservatives, and the green dye in liquid cold & flu medicines. My one kid and I cannot hack Joy dish soap - it makes our face itch when we do the dishes. Another gets headaches from commercial air fresheners. Etc. It all ties together. Even if diet is the actual problem, that chemical overload just makes everything worse.

    I would definitely try the diet changes. Hopefully all those around you are on board with the experiment and do not sabotage you - there are tons of posts on the MDA dealing with family, friends, school, that cause problems.

    Have you decided to go totally grain free, or just wheat free?? My suggestion is to ditch as much in the grain world as you can possibly tolerate as a starting point (zero grain or rice-only), hang there for a while for healing, and add back in very slowly to test, because you really don't know yet what the culprit is - wheat-free won't help you if a/the problem is gluten in general, or even corn, which is everywhere as well. Ridding a couple kids of dairy got rid of the snottiness.

    And Kathleen knows her stuff, so I would heed her post. I do not have to deal with cross-reactives or botanically-related groups in fruits and vegetables, but please keep it in mind that these issues are out there. And, once you get started - READ LABELS ON ANYTHING THAT COMES IN A BAG, BOX, CAN, BRICK, OR ANY OTHER KIND OF PACKAGING! If the ingredient(s) are nebulous, like "spices" or "flavoring", you will have no choice, in the interest of actually knowing what is in the food your kiddos are consuming, to leave it on the shelf.
    I have a mantra that I have spouted for years... "If I eat right, I feel right. If I feel right, I exercise right. If I exercise right, I think right. If I think right, I eat right..." Phil-SC

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    I lost 20lbs by giving up wheat and now get a headache within 30 minutes of eating it. DS (3) got bad eczema when he was younger. I read Wheat Belly and eliminated wheat right then, although I wasn't as strict with the kids. I then noticed his eczema would come and go, which I then connected to the wheat. We're not completely intolerant, I just get headaches, he only has skin flare-ups if he eats a bunch of wheat. We just switched doctors due to moving and I let him know that DS is gluten free due to the eczema and he didn't much care. He said that if things get bad again we can talk with a GI specialist, but since our house is already gluten free it wasn't worth it now.

    Unless you need to testing for peace of mind, I would skip it. They won't tell you anything that you can't find out by an elimination diet. I also see major mood changes in my children depending on how much sugar and wheat they are ingesting. Maybe I'm just making that up in my mind, but I don't think so. As DS gets older I plan to teach him to stay away from gluten containing items due to how they make him feel. But for now I just try to limit it as much as possible (he'll have a bun at a baseball game or the zoo).

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    I'm still doing some research but I think I'm going to eliminate dairy, grains, soy, nuts, eggs and shellfish. My husband is on board, and so is daycare (I think they are sick of changing my daughter's awful diapers). The struggle is going to be my mom and my in laws. They just don't get it and I am not going to be able to change their minds.

    Thanks for all the advice! It also helps to know there are others out there and I'm not totally nuts.

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