Ok seriously I understand and to a large degree do agree with what ‘not on the rug’ is saying.
Where I have the issue “effort required” as I personally needed to work like 3-5 times as hard as many others to loose the weight “on a SAD grain-loaded diet” (like the only time I could eat like that and steadily loose was when I was a teen working on the farm throwing 75lb bales of hay around for 14+hrs a day during the summer – weight always went up again in the winter, same diet year round) yep it sucked and so I just said f-it. got an education and job sitting on my ass programming computers making 10 times what I would have as a health fit active farm slave … (and the extra dollars have allowed me to see vastly more, do far more and travel much more then being poor but fit would ever have)
yes I could still have chosen to work out 8+hrs a day at the gym on top of my 50+ a week at the office but why when it was just simpler and easer to buy a bigger truck to hall my fat lazy ass around.
Now having said that there have been numerous times which seems to cycle ever 3-5 years where for a while; excluding the times I lived off of speed or smoking heroin and the 2 years as a hi-soy vegetarian … I “got my shit together” and my “head on straight”, “put in the effort” and ate a very calorie controlled hi-protein low carb diet and put in 90min a day in the weight room and lost a bunch of weight real quick but never found a way (or perhaps I’m just to stupid) to make it work long term. And yes as soon as I stopped being self masochistic and returned to eating normal starch grain laden food and computer gaming to de stress (killing shit on-line always worked far far better then the gym ever did) the weight went right back on just as quick.
oh and counter to your presumption I really have never ever eaten typical MC’whatever fast food or bag after bag of chips or sweet packaged junk food, – but a whole large loaf of fresh hot multi grain bread – hell yes -- and plates full of rice/pasta/root-tubers ect where always the base of most meals.
04/23/2012 Max Weight : 448 lbs
01/01/2014 Initial Weight : 428 lbs
12/31/2014 Current weight : 318 lbs
12/31/2015 Goal weight : 208 lbs
I have to agree with all this. Notontherug is looking at the problem from a very simplistic view, to say that it all comes down to personal choice and self discipline is very naive.
We live in society that devotes enormous resources to producing food (if you can even call it food) and convincing people to consume it knowing full well that it will make them sick (thereby fueling another sector of the economy, health care, pharmaceuticals) and eventually kill them.
The laws of supply and demand do not apply when the market and advertising are controlled by corporations that are subsidized by the government. The vast majority of farm land is used to produce "food" we do not need. When you get Madison Ave., Wall Street and Washington aligned to funnel this useless and actually dangerous product through the American population it is no small wonder that population is sick and obese.
To get an idea of the magnitude of resources involved watch King Corn: Watch King Corn online | Free | Hulu
Personally, I believe the producing of an obese population (and it's varied auxiliary industries) is what fuels the GDP.
There will always be misinformation from salesmen. Do you trust a company when they say their products are the best? Do you buy a car because the manufacturer says it is top notch? At what point do you realize that commercials, labels, and shiny packages are not forcing you to do anything?
Food in the US is generally terrible. That said, the people in the US keep buying it while alternatives are available. If a company can make millions selling GMO corn, trans fat laden, smothered in preservatives, chemical goo sugary garbage, it will continue doing so, and it will advertise the hell out of it. Unless and until the people start choosing other products, the company will keep selling garbage because it makes them a lot of money.
For crying out loud, Americans spend billions a year on junk food. Junk food. How much clearer can it be that what you are eating is shit when it's in a food category called "junk".
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i'd love to know what percentage of people who disagree with me are overweight/formerly overweight, middle aged women. i'm guessing its most of you. so sad.. all of you are "victims" of oprah and shape magazine, and dr. oz. then suddenly, you did some research on your own and found MDA or another paleo site, and your lives magically changed. imagine if you put in the leg-work of giving a crap about yourself and your health from the time you were a child. i'm sure you'd have a different view of the world too
And Magnolia, your epic post a few pages back is so true. Sure everybody can blame your protagonist for listening to Oprah and Dr. Oz but how is what they are recommending any different from what people here recommend? They both say eat less, move more. Eat less fat because it has more calories. People say this over and over on this forum all the time.
When I was 165lbs my typical day was half a whole-wheat bagel with almond butter and half a banana. Lunch was a salad without dressing. I'd get either the one with a scoop of tuna salad or the greek salad with the homeopathic dose of feta cheese. I'd run 3-5 miles before lunch. I'd be so hungry I'd fight and fight the urge to get something else to eat by mid-afternoon. I'd usually fail and end up with a muffin or some kind of oaty vegan energy bar thing. Dinner would be something like piles of pasta, rice or rice noodles with something on top.
When I lost the weight, for breakfast I was eating bacon or sausage and eggs, or liver and onions. A much larger quantity of food by volume and calories than my half bagel. I'd eat the salad again for lunch but I'd put my own salmon plus real olive oil on the salad. I quit the running and just took an easy walk. I'd get some hard boiled eggs for a mid-afternoon snack. I'd have butter on top of cheese for an appetizer before dinner. I'd eat meat, veggies and a little potato for dinner. I'd have 3 glasses of wine and some dark chocolate for dessert. It was plenty of calories, certainly not diet-like at all. I was hardly ever hungry. I was always chastising myself for overeating on a daily basis. Yet I lost almost 30lbs.
I should go back to that because eating lean protein and potatoes to fuel my physical activities hasn't resulted in any appreciable or lasting loss of belly rolls or upper-arm wap-wap. And just like any typical dieter, attempts to reduce portion sizes often leaves me in this hungry state where I lose control and eat a banana or too big of a potato. That didn't happen when I ate higher fat. I could go a long time being hungry and not really care that I was hungry. A different quality of hunger that was tolerable.
Female, 5'3", 50, Starting weight: 163lbs. Current weight: 135 (more or less).
I can squat 187.5lbs, press 75lbs and deadlift 200lbs
welp, i'm not middle aged. i'm not a reformed oprah or dr oz follower. jerry springer was my thing, and i was most likely too young to watch it
as a kid, i ate what mom cooked and what mom cooked was what she thought was healthy based on the dietary guidelines of the 80s
but just imagine if i had known, as a kid, that food was more than food!
what did i know as a kid? onions taste bad, but green beans and macaroni taste good
i used to think about that sht all the time, and regret that i didn't know back then that some foods were causing me to be this overweight blob, and i didn't have to listen to my doctor when he said, with regret, that maybe i should just accept myself as i was because he had run out of ideas to help. i got over it.
yeah you are
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