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    There are studies which show that "beauty" has a bit of "objectivity" to it - i.e. people across culture, races seem to pick common features.

    I have seen kids, girls and boys, men and women discriminated for being ugly at schools, homes, immigration queues, restaurants and offices. It has happened too often and too predictably to dismiss by citing rare counter-examples.
    Few but ripe.

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    Of course there is some objectivity, thin people vs thick people, muscle vs no muscle. Certain traits are obviously more desirable but the various "nose" sizes and other sh*$ like that comes across and ridiculous.
    I guess nice silky smooth hair is more attractive then rough broken hair, regardless of colour or length, but I'm totally not into blonde people, just like I'm not into darker skinned people. It's just how I've always been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    Methinks you never got a good basic introduction to Natural Selection. I recommend The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins
    I haven't read that book, but Dawkins has said that he wouldn't want to live in a society based on ruthless Darwinian principles, where the rich trample the poor. What do you think about that?

    I actually don't think it would necessarily have to be that bad. On NationStates, I created a nation where people enjoy awesome personal freedom with a vibrant economy and just 3% income tax. The only arguable downside would be the complete absence of social welfare and execution of homeless people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimalHunter View Post
    I haven't read that book, but Dawkins has said that he wouldn't want to live in a society based on ruthless Darwinian principles, where the rich trample the poor. What do you think about that?
    I'd like to see the exact quote. Altruism is a biological reality, and not just for humans. It's a product of natural selection, and if you had read the book you would understand how altruism can actually have a positive influence on the ability of genes to replicate and survive. I remember seeing a quote where Dawkins had wished he had named the book "The Altruistic Gene" or something like that. I think you're misjudging a book by its cover.

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    I actually don't think it would necessarily have to be that bad. On NationStates, I created a nation where people enjoy awesome personal freedom with a vibrant economy and just 3% income tax. The only arguable downside would be the complete absence of social welfare and execution of homeless people.
    I don't know what NationStates is. This is a retarded idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    You completely misunderstood the context of my post. Where did I advocate for "fat acceptance?" This new trend of "fat acceptance" is irresponsible and unhealthy. If you are severely overweight, you should want to change yourself. You should not want to maintain that. It is extremely unhealthy and it not only makes you appear to others that you have little self-respect for yourself, but it sets a terrible example for any children that look up to you. However, there is a difference between wanting to improve yourself and hating yourself. You should want to lose weight, get into shape and look your best because you love yourself and it's what you believe you deserve, not because you hate yourself every time you look in the mirror. Whether you are 8% body fat or 38% body fat, you should be thankful for your body and your life. The goal should be to improve yourself for the right reasons. Self-hatred is why many people explore radical surgeries and starvation dieting to lose weight. Instead, they should be doing it out of self-respect.
    The idea that "fat acceptance" means morbidly obese people don't want to get healthy is utter bullshit. It means fat people should be able to buy attractive clothing no matter what size they are and be able to walk down the street without people yelling slurs at them. It means morbidly obese people should have the same job opportunity as anorexics.

    "Wanting to change yourself" without having a means to do so is not a step toward fixing the problem. The fact is that most people are overweight and do not have an effective means to bring their weight under control. Neither medical science nor conventional wisdom has anything to offer them. They see crazy, obsessed people all over the place with bizarre-sounding ideas about how to lose weight easily. Like gurus pushing juice fasting, crash diets, or magic pills. And you know, this site is one of those places, and you seem to be a crazy person who has nothing to offer them but to tell them to try harder. More of the same.

    If you cared, you might find a way to reach those people. But you really don't care about them. You care most about feeling morally superior.

    The idea that if people can't change, at least they should keep desperately trying to do the same thing that doesn't work and hate themselves for failing is hardly a positive example for their kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    I'd like to see the exact quote.
    He said it in this video, but it's an hour long and I don't remember when he said it. He's interviewing a creationist who says that a Darwinian society would be awful, and he agrees, but he says let's understand how Darwinism works so we can instead create the kind of society we want to live in. He might have said he believes in socialism, I'm not sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    Altruism is a biological reality, and not just for humans. It's a product of natural selection, and if you had read the book you would understand how altruism can actually have a positive influence on the ability of genes to replicate and survive.
    Let me take a stab at it. There's some animal (it might be prairie dogs) where an individual will sacrifice itself by screaming to warn the others of predators. Why would that behavior evolve? Well, it turns out that the likelihood of it happening is proportional to how closely related the animal is to the others around it. It appears as altruism to us, but really the individual is just trying to ensure the survival of its genes, whatever animal they happen to be in. Is that the right idea? (If it's too much to explain, don't worry about it.)

    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    I remember seeing a quote where Dawkins had wished he had named the book "The Altruistic Gene" or something like that. I think you're misjudging a book by its cover.
    I'm not judging it at all, at least not negatively. I think Dawkins is the man.

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    I don't know what NationStates is.
    I thought I was the last person on earth to discover it. It's just an online nation simulation game where you're presented with issues and you have to decide how to handle them. It's interesting because it really shows how there are legitimate points on both sides of everything.

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    This is a retarded idea.
    I'm surprised to hear you say that, as much as you hate pussies who don't get under the bar. If you don't want to glorify physical weakness, why glorify economic weakness? I'm not saying we should actually execute homeless people, but it's arguably better than socialism. As with most things, the best option is probably somewhere in the middle.
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    Real quick question perhaps outdated at this point in the thread.. I know skinny jeans are apparently a no-no for dudes, but where is the line drawn for the skinniness of the jeans? Are 'slim fit' jeans okay?

    Because personally I like how slim-fits show off my meaty man-quads that I've acquired with months of relatively low (past parrallel but probably not 'ATG' by strict standards) squatting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimalHunter View Post
    Let me take a stab at it. There's some animal (it might be prairie dogs) where an individual will sacrifice itself by screaming to warn the others of predators. Why would that behavior evolve? Well, it turns out that the likelihood of it happening is proportional to how closely related the animal is to the others around it. It appears as altruism to us, but really the individual is just trying to ensure the survival of its genes, whatever animal they happen to be in. Is that the right idea? (If it's too much to explain, don't worry about it.)
    That's certainly part of it. Certain insects have even more complex examples, especially in cases where individuals are effectively clones.

    Quote Originally Posted by PrimalHunter View Post

    I'm surprised to hear you say that, as much as you hate pussies who don't get under the bar. If you don't want to glorify physical weakness, why glorify economic weakness? I'm not saying we should actually execute homeless people, but it's arguably better than socialism. As with most things, the best option is probably somewhere in the middle.
    How are people who choose to make a go of things on their own, with less reliance on infrastructure analogous to people who would rather watch American Idol and eat ice cream? I fail to see the correlation.

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesTheIdolStevens View Post
    Real quick question perhaps outdated at this point in the thread.. I know skinny jeans are apparently a no-no for dudes, but where is the line drawn for the skinniness of the jeans? Are 'slim fit' jeans okay?

    Because personally I like how slim-fits show off my meaty man-quads that I've acquired with months of relatively low (past parrallel but probably not 'ATG' by strict standards) squatting.
    Wearing skin-tight "skinny jeans" to show off complete lack of muscle tone ====> man fail
    Wearing tightly fitting, normal-cut jeans (slim fit, et al.) to show off quads from squatting ===> acceptable
    Being unable to fit in slim fit jeans at all due to massive legs ===> commendable

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    Wearing tightly fitting, normal-cut jeans (slim fit, et al.) to show off quads from squatting ===> acceptable
    That's a bit of a contradiction. If you've been squatting some reasonable weight, "slim" and your legs don't mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    That's certainly part of it. Certain insects have even more complex examples, especially in cases where individuals are effectively clones.



    How are people who choose to make a go of things on their own, with less reliance on infrastructure analogous to people who would rather watch American Idol and eat ice cream? I fail to see the correlation.



    Wearing skin-tight "skinny jeans" to show off complete lack of muscle tone ====> man fail
    Wearing tightly fitting, normal-cut jeans (slim fit, et al.) to show off quads from squatting ===> acceptable
    Being unable to fit in slim fit jeans at all due to massive legs ===> commendable
    I read this is in the voice of those old "priceless" MasterCard commercials

    Obviously I'm not attracted to a skinny man over a built man based on his skinniness, but I've spent the year in the Netherlands and there are some beyond-lanky guys with little stick legs (like I could wrap my hands around the thigh) and little pants who look damn fine, and it never enters my mind that they're in any way less manly (or less-of-a-man, if that makes a difference) than more muscular men.

    I was at a cross-dressing party the other day. This tall Indian guy showed up in spandex tights. I mean his lower body could've belonged to a female model were it not for the bulge. Sorry but my heart was a-flutter. No homo (female).

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