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    Oestrogen dominance

    Has any one dealt with this successfully?

    I just got extensive bloodwork done, and was discovered to have v. low progesterone and v. high oestrogen aka. Oestrogen dominance. Among other things, it's manifesting in me is by impairing my thyroid, stopping ovulation, and raising my stress hormones and cholesterol.

    I'm actually very happy because now I know what's going on with me and I can deal with it accordingly

    I'm being put on progesterone and as well as this, I'm going to take some supplements: B6, Zinc, and Mg. If any one has any other suggestions that would be great!

    Has anyone tried acupuncture for it? If so, what complaint would I go in with - infertility?

    Is there a kind of exercise that increases progesterone?

    I also plan to have a lot more sex (not that women like that sort of thing, but I'll take a hit for the sake of my unborn children )
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

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    I have the Mirena IUD, so a pretty constant flow of progesterone. I'm pretty happy with it and noticed my moods and weight were a lot more easy to control when I started it (8 years ago).

    One thing you might want to pay attention to is that progesterone causes your joints to be a little more "loose", which may or may not be noticeable. For me, since I'm double jointed anyway, I have to be a little more careful. It can also cause you to bleed a little more when you go to the dentist. All in all, I'm very happy with progesterone, but make sure you mention it when you go to a new doctor or to the dentist.
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    Thanks for the reply Rita! What do you mean by "loose", and why do you have to be careful? I'm a yoga teacher so pretty flexible already...
    Last edited by YogaBare; 05-12-2013 at 09:57 AM.
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    It softens the cartilage, which in a pregnant woman is good so the uterus has room to expand and the baby can come out easier.

    Probably not an issue for most people, but apparently I'm double jointed, and the combination of that, age and possibly the progesterone caused my hip joint to get a little too loose. The labrum that holds the leg "ball" in the hip socket slipped in between the two and tore. But it also took 8 years of progesterone and a very active (walking over uneven surfaces like gravel, hopping block walls, running from large dogs) job for that to happen. Most likely not the norm, just a possibility.

    Again, I love the stuff. Even having done that, I would still use progesterone. If you have trouble with what the doc gives you (which is probably synthetic), don't give up. I tried a couple of brands before getting the IUD, and there was a wide range of effectiveness with each.

    I actually noticed my walking was just a very tiny bit "off" for the first month or so, almost like I had been stretching and was somehow too limber. Odd, but not a problem.
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    Talk to yor endo about an aromatase inhibiter? Arimidex, clomid, nolvadex. Im guessing this would be the next step if the prog does not work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RitaRose View Post
    It softens the cartilage, which in a pregnant woman is good so the uterus has room to expand and the baby can come out easier.

    Probably not an issue for most people, but apparently I'm double jointed, and the combination of that, age and possibly the progesterone caused my hip joint to get a little too loose. The labrum that holds the leg "ball" in the hip socket slipped in between the two and tore. But it also took 8 years of progesterone and a very active (walking over uneven surfaces like gravel, hopping block walls, running from large dogs) job for that to happen. Most likely not the norm, just a possibility.

    Again, I love the stuff. Even having done that, I would still use progesterone. If you have trouble with what the doc gives you (which is probably synthetic), don't give up. I tried a couple of brands before getting the IUD, and there was a wide range of effectiveness with each.

    I actually noticed my walking was just a very tiny bit "off" for the first month or so, almost like I had been stretching and was somehow too limber. Odd, but not a problem.
    Interesting... so did you have oestrogen dominance, and if so, how severe was the imbalance? I don't know a lot about it, but imagine that the more extreme the range is, the more severe the symptoms? Also, is it the kind of thing that gets worse with time if it's untreated?

    I've been put on Duphaston. Are there more natural options?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zach View Post
    Talk to yor endo about an aromatase inhibiter? Arimidex, clomid, nolvadex. Im guessing this would be the next step if the prog does not work.
    "Inhibitor aromatazy" is what I'd have to say to my Polish endo... ('Phew for google translate )

    I see that it's used in the treatment of breast cancer - does that mean that oestrogen dominance can contribute to that? Scary stuff.
    Last edited by YogaBare; 05-12-2013 at 02:13 PM.
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Quote Originally Posted by YogaBare View Post
    Interesting... so did you have oestrogen dominance, and if so, how severe was the imbalance? I don't know a lot about it, but imagine that the more extreme the range is, the more severe the symptoms? Also, is it the kind of thing that gets worse with time if it's untreated?
    I'm not sure what the root cause of my problem was, just that I was going through peri-menopause and it was absolutely hellish. Lots of bleeding for more than a week and very large clots - it was pretty much making my life unlivable because I couldn't spend more than 20 or 30 minutes away from a bathroom for probably half the month. Same thing that my mom went through back in the 80s, and she ended up with a hysterectomy.

    My doc was planning on doing an endometrial ablation (basically cauterizing the uterus) but I needed a couple of tests first. In the mean time, I did some of my own research, started using a very small amount of bio-identical progesterone cream (Kokoro Balance Creme is a great quality brand) and my periods and moods were dramatically improved within just a few days.

    The next time I saw the doctor, I mentioned it, and he said another doctor in his practice had seen the same results with the Mirena progesterone IUD, which was covered by insurance and easily removed if it didn't work. I've had one ever since.

    If you go the progesterone cream route, make sure you get a good one. I ran out of the Kokoro cream once and had to order more online. Until it arrived, I used another brand, thinking they were all the same. They're not. My symptoms came back in a couple of days, then disappeared when I started using the Kokoro brand again. I doubt it's the only good one, just one that I know IS good.

    Also, don't use too much. You're only supposed to use a small amount and rotate where you rub it in. Too much is definitely NOT a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitaRose View Post
    I'm not sure what the root cause of my problem was, just that I was going through peri-menopause and it was absolutely hellish. Lots of bleeding for more than a week and very large clots - it was pretty much making my life unlivable because I couldn't spend more than 20 or 30 minutes away from a bathroom for probably half the month. Same thing that my mom went through back in the 80s, and she ended up with a hysterectomy.

    My doc was planning on doing an endometrial ablation (basically cauterizing the uterus) but I needed a couple of tests first. In the mean time, I did some of my own research, started using a very small amount of bio-identical progesterone cream (Kokoro Balance Creme is a great quality brand) and my periods and moods were dramatically improved within just a few days.

    The next time I saw the doctor, I mentioned it, and he said another doctor in his practice had seen the same results with the Mirena progesterone IUD, which was covered by insurance and easily removed if it didn't work. I've had one ever since.

    If you go the progesterone cream route, make sure you get a good one. I ran out of the Kokoro cream once and had to order more online. Until it arrived, I used another brand, thinking they were all the same. They're not. My symptoms came back in a couple of days, then disappeared when I started using the Kokoro brand again. I doubt it's the only good one, just one that I know IS good.

    Also, don't use too much. You're only supposed to use a small amount and rotate where you rub it in. Too much is definitely NOT a good thing.
    Thanks for all the info Rita Rose! I'll check out that cream.
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    YB, the stuff "Dr." Zach is blithely prescribing there is some serious medication. I took Arimidex for five years after breast cancer to help prevent a recurrence. I really wouldn't want to take it for anything less life threatening than that however.

    I am feeling so much better after having finished that five year Rx in February. I really think it has a system wide metabolic slowdown as a side effect. For instance I can eat way more now without gaining weight. I think my BMR was suppressed by the medication.

    And yes estrogen does have a lot to do with breast cancer. My oncologist told me the best thing I could do to help prevent a recurrence was to lose weight since, in women, fat cells produce estrogen.
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    So serious that every male on steroids in the entire world uses it to manage estrogen dominance..

    Yes high estrogen is linked to cancer.

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