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    Best martial art?

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    I have yet to find one better. This is a pretty rare art, and the 'why' for that would take a little storytelling. You can read around his websites if you're interested. If you're lucky, there might be a school near you. If not, just learning concepts from the website and all of the first belt material would be of help to aspiring martial artists.

    I love the martial arts.... Talk to me if you do too.

    PS- Shou Shu is the name of the art, and Sheng Chi is the name of his school. I don't want to confuse you right off the bat.

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    I have researched Krav Maga and it looks pretty street effective. More realistic than katas and letting people stand there while one kicks them. I personally practice Aikido but I am not sure how effective it would be with a wild attack. I want to start Karv Maga as well. Street related arts. Nothing with a philosophy to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natureman View Post
    I have researched Krav Maga and it looks pretty street effective. More realistic than katas and letting people stand there while one kicks them. I personally practice Aikido but I am not sure how effective it would be with a wild attack. I want to start Karv Maga as well. Street related arts. Nothing with a philosophy to it.
    There are simple martial arts taught to infantry to get them ready for battle quickly. This could go for Krav Maga, the US Marine fighting system, the old LINE system if you're familiar with that, and many others. They are solid, but they are mostly going to be effective only in a limited number of situations. This could include an equal or smaller opponent, only one or two attackers, only on certain surfaces, only if the opponent doesn't know the counter, etc.

    Then, there is the more complex art form of these fighting styles. Shou Shu was originally the fighting style of the elite guards for the Mandarin emperor. It would be akin to a Navy SEAL today, or maybe a tier 1 group like Delta or SEAL Team 6. These guys spend their lives training to be these warriors, so they have the time to develop more advanced skills.
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    For striking, I'd say muay thai is at or near the top of the list. For grappling, some form of wrestling or Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
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    Remember before "Mixed Martial Arts" was its own thing and Rorion Gracie decided to organize a no-rules tournament for practitioners of all different martial arts styles to determine which one was the best?

    It was called Ultimate Fighting Championship and a 6'1, 180 lb skinny Brazilian kid won the damn thing. Well, I was recently at a seminar with Royce Gracie himself, and he left us with one open question. The question was: If Jiu Jitsu doesn't have the answer, what does?

    Meaning if you're attacked by someone so much bigger and stronger and more talented than you to the point that Jiu Jitsu doesn't save you, please explain what can. Boxing? Really? Kickboxing? Wrestling? Seriously. I know this point has been beaten to death all over the internet, but there's only a few martial arts that even train against full resistance (boxing, a few forms of kickboxing, judo, wrestling, and jiu-jitsu) and only one of those really gives a smaller guy a really good chance to survive an attack from a bigger, stronger opponent.

    In modern times, it has its shortcomings (let's not get into the whole Brazilian Jiu Jitsu vs. Gracie Jiu Jitsu and sport-specific techniques arguments here, or how the rules change when the referee stands everyone up after 30 seconds on the ground/5 minute rounds, etc), but I have to ask you the same question Royce offered us the other weekend. Really. If not Jiu Jitsu, then what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    Remember before "Mixed Martial Arts" was its own thing and Rorion Gracie decided to organize a no-rules tournament for practitioners of all different martial arts styles to determine which one was the best?

    It was called Ultimate Fighting Championship and a 6'1, 180 lb skinny Brazilian kid won the damn thing. Well, I was recently at a seminar with Royce Gracie himself, and he left us with one open question. The question was: If Jiu Jitsu doesn't have the answer, what does?

    Meaning if you're attacked by someone so much bigger and stronger and more talented than you to the point that Jiu Jitsu doesn't save you, please explain what can. Boxing? Really? Kickboxing? Wrestling? Seriously. I know this point has been beaten to death all over the internet, but there's only a few martial arts that even train against full resistance (boxing, a few forms of kickboxing, judo, wrestling, and jiu-jitsu) and only one of those really gives a smaller guy a really good chance to survive an attack from a bigger, stronger opponent.

    In modern times, it has its shortcomings (let's not get into the whole Brazilian Jiu Jitsu vs. Gracie Jiu Jitsu and sport-specific techniques arguments here, or how the rules change when the referee stands everyone up after 30 seconds on the ground/5 minute rounds, etc), but I have to ask you the same question Royce offered us the other weekend. Really. If not Jiu Jitsu, then what?
    i'm with you on this one. from a stand-up perspective, a decent amount of muy thai training can be quite helpful, in terms of throwing proper punches and kicks, and learning how to block. but let's face it, life isn't a fight scene from a movie. your attacker might outweigh you by 75lbs, or be incredibly skilled due to lots of martial arts or boxing experience. JJ is the great equalizer. get that big guy on the ground and use his weight against him, maybe snap a few of his joints in the process. neutralize a talented striker's hands by dislocating his elbow. most people should have a little jj training. enough with the bogus women's self defense seminars, and lets teach them something that could actually help them in a life threatening situation. lets see, the rapist throws you down, and gets on top of you. throw him in a triangle, and choke him out using your powerful leg muscles

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    Quote Originally Posted by not on the rug View Post
    enough with the bogus women's self defense seminars, and lets teach them something that could actually help them in a life threatening situation.
    Amen.

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    Are we talking competition or street self-defense? Because those are two completely different avenues. And I'll give you a reason in two words; multiple opponents

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    Remember before "Mixed Martial Arts" was its own thing and Rorion Gracie decided to organize a no-rules tournament for practitioners of all different martial arts styles to determine which one was the best?

    It was called Ultimate Fighting Championship and a 6'1, 180 lb skinny Brazilian kid won the damn thing. Well, I was recently at a seminar with Royce Gracie himself, and he left us with one open question. The question was: If Jiu Jitsu doesn't have the answer, what does?

    Meaning if you're attacked by someone so much bigger and stronger and more talented than you to the point that Jiu Jitsu doesn't save you, please explain what can. Boxing? Really? Kickboxing? Wrestling? Seriously. I know this point has been beaten to death all over the internet, but there's only a few martial arts that even train against full resistance (boxing, a few forms of kickboxing, judo, wrestling, and jiu-jitsu) and only one of those really gives a smaller guy a really good chance to survive an attack from a bigger, stronger opponent.

    In modern times, it has its shortcomings (let's not get into the whole Brazilian Jiu Jitsu vs. Gracie Jiu Jitsu and sport-specific techniques arguments here, or how the rules change when the referee stands everyone up after 30 seconds on the ground/5 minute rounds, etc), but I have to ask you the same question Royce offered us the other weekend. Really. If not Jiu Jitsu, then what?
    Martial arts are created to kill or maim as quickly as possible. The best shots are going to be illegal in any competition. The best sport martial art is going to be the one which best uses the rules to its advantage. In a real life conflict, the situation is much different.

    The last thing you want to do is get on the ground in a street fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiltondeportes View Post
    Martial arts are created to kill or maim as quickly as possible. The best shots are going to be illegal in any competition. The best sport martial art is going to be the one which best uses the rules to its advantage. In a real life conflict, the situation is much different.
    Yeah, right. And they're not dolls, they're action figures. And all the cool kids hang out at the comic book store. Yup, I gotcha. We'll resume this discussion as rational adults when you're done with this ridiculous ninjer fantasy stuff. Dudes who carry shurikens never get laid. Fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by wiltondeportes View Post
    The last thing you want to do is get on the ground in a street fight.
    Would you rather get picked up and put in the trunk of an attacker's car, or sit down and put your feet between you and him where they can protect you from being struck and use them to knock the guy over? Nobody wants to go to the ground in a self-defense situation. Do I need to say that another dozen times?

    Ignoring reality (that you might be put there against your will or have no better options than to put one or more of your own body parts on the ground to protect yourself) doesn't make it cease to be reality. In other words, if each of us gets knocked down by surprise by an attacker, who has the better chance of getting back up? I know where I'd put my money.

    Keep standing in front of the mirror with your hands at your sides doing your fancy triple spinning lethal death pokes to an imaginary friend's imaginary trachea, bro. I'll be the one actually practicing by fighting against real opponents who are actually fighting back.

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