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    Quote Originally Posted by quikky View Post
    Sure but there should also be emphasis on defending against your opponent's ability to strike you any way they see fit.
    There is. But trained fighters tend to strike very differently than drunk guys who pick on people in bar parking lots.

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    Practicing sparring a good striker will make you better able to defend yourself against a mediocre/poor striker in a real fight. No one practices anything truly full-bore, but any specific martial art like JJ, places restrictions and rules, that are applicable to the specific practice, on what you can do, which don't apply to a self defense situation. Obviously many things, such as biting, using weapons, etc., are not allowed due to safety considerations, but many are also not allowed simply because they are not practiced in the martial art, such as elbowing, and serious striking in the case of JJ.
    Agree with you. It's hard to practice against someone truly trying to bludgeon, bite, claw or dismember you. I think you are looking at sport Jiu Jitsu and drawing the inference that we don't practice these things as realistically as possible and safe. I'm disagreeing with that inference based on 7 years of experience doing that very thing.

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    Why can't I punch you in the face when we're on the ground during a JJ training session? Certainly in a real right this restriction would not exist, nor would you be trained to handle it because you avoided it in training.
    If I'm holding you in knee-on-belly? Because your arms aren't likely long enough. If they are, you're probably over 9 feet tall.

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    I think it's fair to say that your survival against Chuck Liddell would depend entirely on Chuck Liddell's mood at the time of the beating.
    Surely I agree. Better chance I can talk him out of the beating while I hold on to him than if I return fire and try to punch him in the face. Again, if Jiu Jitsu doesn't have the answer, who does? That's my argument. That nobody has the answer to make a pencil-necked geek able to survive the onslaught of Chuck Liddell. That's not a shortcoming of Jiu Jitsu.

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    Not necessarily. I just think combining JJ with other martial arts would make your ability to defend yourself, and even your JJ on its own, better.
    We always recommend that people get a base in Jiu Jitsu before branching out to the striking arts. Some people come to us with other experience. It's all good stuff, but if you have to start from scratch, Jiu Jitsu gives you the most bang for your buck, and watering down your training by showing up at Jiu Jitsu less and going to Thai Boxing 2 nights a week will leave your Jiu Jitsu subpar. I've seen it plenty of times.

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    You don't have to learn striking to use it instead of JJ for self defense. You can simply use it on top of JJ and to get used to being struck. For example, you mention how you can use grappling to deal with a striker. Well, you don't really deal with serious striking in JJ training, so how can you become more effective at defending against it? If you took boxing, just as an example, and sparred with people who had superior boxing skills than you, you would learn how to deal against this specific striking better, and would be able to apply your JJ training better, because you are more adapt at receiving punches.
    I agree. If only we all had the time to become good at several things...

    I have found that most people have a hard enough time getting proficient in one.

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    As far as martial-arts for self-defense, the objective would be to either win the fight or disable the attacker(s) long enough to escape. For both striking or grappling, standing up would be better. You can win the fight either on the ground or standing up, but it's a lot easier to flee if you're already on your feet. For me, hand-to-hand would come after situational awareness, guns, knives, and non-lethal weapons have all failed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post



    I agree. If only we all had the time to become good at several things...

    I have found that most people have a hard enough time getting proficient in one.
    THIS!!! I train BJJ twice a week and my gym has a MMA(striking and no gi bjj) class that I try to make once or twice a week. There just isn't enough time for a guy with a family and a business to run to get really good at any one thing much less multiple disciplines. I just feel that you can get better at jui jitsu because you can "spar" at close to 100% intensity.
    I do have a friend who is an amateur mma fighter and we spar and roll after class a couple of times a month which really helps. Nothing like getting your ass kicked by a 6' 5" 230lb guy every once in awhile to teach you a few things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecole66 View Post
    . Nothing like getting your ass kicked by a 6' 5" 230lb guy every once in awhile to teach you a few things.
    Try getting your ass kicked by a 5'6 155lb guy. But yeah, of course it's better to get someone to throw some leather at you. Like my instructor always says: The Jiu Jitsu doesn't change, just the rules change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
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    I agree. If only we all had the time to become good at several things...

    I have found that most people have a hard enough time getting proficient in one.
    I think we agree overall.

    In an ideal world, you would strive to master Jiu Jitsu and also become proficient in other martial arts.
    In a more realistic world, you would focus on Jiu Jitsu.
    In the real world, most people won't have the discipline/desire/commitment to do anything for a long enough time to matter anyways. In which case, maybe pepper spray and/or weapon would be even better.

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    I've had the best real world success with Judo. Works especially well with drunks, they tend to have little balance and throw their weight all over the place. Put someone who is charging you face first into a brick wall and it's almost certainly over.

    As far as real threats I practice CWB, that's "crazy white boy" style, even the genuinely dangerous people tend to leave someone alone unless they really push it if they think that person is nuts.

    I was planning to start Krav Maga, but the local place shut down, most of the interest around here seems to be in some weird form of new age martial art.

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    Just gonna throw this out there- shotokan, bitches!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldschatten View Post
    I've had the best real world success with Judo. Works especially well with drunks, they tend to have little balance and throw their weight all over the place. Put someone who is charging you face first into a brick wall and it's almost certainly over.
    Yep, Judo is underrated, a hard throw to the ground will finish most attacks and give you a possibility to get away from the situation. I defended myself with judo at the age of 16 against three attackers in an empty ferry waiting room, the first guy that I throw broke his forearm in the fall and when I was dealing with guy number two, the screams from the injuried guy in the ground stopped the fight and they ran away. Then the police came and caught them outside the waiting hall...

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    hell yeah gorbag.

    ecuadorian ferry fighting would probably be an internet sensation
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    There is. But trained fighters tend to strike very differently than drunk guys who pick on people in bar parking lots.
    ...
    I agree. If only we all had the time to become good at several things...

    I have found that most people have a hard enough time getting proficient in one.


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