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    The HC industry has buffaloed everyone in an HMO or PPO into thinking they have choices, when it's obvious they DON'T. You might switch doctor's in a system, but you typically cannot go outside of the system.


    OTOH, Medicare patients go anywhere they please. True, some doctors limit the number of MC patients they will take on, but we've never seen that happen in almost 30 years of my parents on MC.


    Switching to a MC style system will INCREASE your selections. Brought to you by the same people who tell you up is down. And that the Canadian drugs are dangerous.


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    The HC industry has buffaloed everyone in an HMO or PPO into thinking they have choices, when it's obvious they DON'T. You might switch doctor's in a system, but you typically cannot go outside of the system.


    OTOH, Medicare patients go anywhere they please. True, some doctors limit the number of MC patients they will take on, but we've never seen that happen in almost 30 years of my parents on MC.


    Switching to a MC style system will INCREASE your selections. Brought to you by the same people who tell you up is down. And that the Canadian drugs are dangerous.


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    I understand both sides, but don't force people like us to be pegged into one 'system'.


    Can you say communist/ Marxist?


    Where's the line to get my micro-chip implanted?


    Bah!


    I'm done....


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    If you think health care is expensive and hard to get NOW.....


    Just WAIT til it's FREE


    PETITION SIGNED!


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    I have to agree with OTB with this one. I know far too many people who cannot afford health care, and the number is rising as the USA's financial woes grow. As more and more people lose their livlihoods, they, too, lose their health care. A single life saving surgery can put someone into debt for the rest of their life.
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    Katt-- no one is denied healthcare in the U.S. There is no crisis. ETA: although no crisis, it&#39;s certainly not perfect.


    But, with socialized healthcare.. you won&#39;t even get to live long enough to have that surgery. You won&#39;t even get an appointment on time to get the life saving diagnosis.
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    I understand both sides, but don&#39;t force people like us to be pegged into one &#39;system&#39;.


    Can you say communist/ Marxist?


    Where&#39;s the line to get my micro-chip implanted?
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    You got that right SF!

    It reeks of communism!


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    Communism and Marxism? Really?


    Not to offend anyone, but I cannot see these claims as anything but unsubstantiated hyperbole unless accompanied by evidenciary support. What specifics of the proposal lead you to believe that we are under threat of an imminent communist rising?


    (I&#39;m not being facetious; I am genuinely asking for more information. In my limited free time I have tried to research this issue. However, after finding myself hopelessly entrenched in slanted political ramblings without ever finding an objective point of view, I generally give up and take the dog for a walk.)


    While I cannot fully endorse the current proposals as I find myself insufficiently educated about them, I nonetheless find it disturbing that most opposition to them is based upon distorted, menacing rhetoric. I am earnestly puzzled at socialism being lauded as the next great threat to America; such apparently dire consequences are never quite fleshed out with detailed specifics as to how, when, or even why.


    Interestingly, I did find an article by the national director of Democratic Socialists of America in which he discusses the misappropriation of his ideology&#39;s name: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/22/opinion/main5180886.shtml


    (And, no, I am not a socialist, nor am I endorsing his organization. I just found it interesting to see a response to the "socialist" alarm from an actual admitted socialist.)


    I keep seeing Germany&#39;s health care system being mentioned. What differs in their system from the systems of Britain and Canada?


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    why do people think that the government will step in with government healthcare? its bullshit propaganda run by insurance companies. i lived in australia for 24 years before moving over to america, i have had 3 minor surgeries and a yearly doctors visit. i have never ever EVER run into any complications with the government telling the doctor what to do ever. infact i went into the ER one night because a moth flew in my ear. went in at 3am, waited til 4am to see a doctor who tried for around 20 minutes to get it out of my ear without having to put me under general. once they couldnt only another 1 hour wait for the anesthesiologist to come take my body mass and heart pressure etc and waiting for a surgery room. i was out and done by 9am. a whopping 6 hrs to pull a moth out of my ear, plus antibiotic course for a week. not bad for never having to pay a cent towards it. the waiting line for weeks thing is utter crap.


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    Thanks for posting this petition, a friend was just telling me about it yesterday and I meant to look for it. I have already emailed my congresspeople to let them know that I believe in freedom and liberty and no federal government interference beyond its Constitutionally defined duties. I urge everyone else who feels strongly to email your representatives as well. They need to know how we feel to properly represent us.


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    "A necessitous man is not a free man." True when FDR said it, true now.


    You guys crack me up - with anger at the knee jerk reactions - with your pious comments about "freedom" and "socialism" and "Constitutionally defined duties." Well, you mean the Constitution that has been changed 27 times allowing things like women and minorities to vote? To buy any house they wish to? To require warrants for searches? To define a free press and that there will be not state religion? Well, there is no provision for a standing Army and nothing about flying airplanes, is there? But we have them.


    Anyone here have parents refusing Social Security or Medicare? Do you intend to? Do you really, really think your HMO give you medical "freedom?" I already explained how they DON&#39;T and Medicare does. But your ideology just can&#39;t face the reality.


    Do you know what the most socialized institution in America is? One that will feed you and house you AND GIVE YOU FREE MEDICAL CARE? It&#39;s the military. So much for not having "socialism" in our midst.


    You folks who want your freedom to pay 30% more for crappier care, well, you go right ahead. Obama has said that if you like what you have, you keep it.


    Ecala, don&#39;t tell ME there is a health care crisis when my only alternatives are aspirin or the ER....which I know from experience then they hound you if you don&#39;t pay in 30 days and then turn it over to collection agency. You are a fool, plain and simple. A blind fool who cannot see that some of us are suffering greatly under this "system." If you have a family, your health care is costing about $10000 a year or more, things depending. Is that a good use of your wages? And they ARE your wages when your employer pays for your HC.


    Don&#39;t Americans deserve care that many third world nations can assure their citizens? Do you really think it&#39;s OK for 22,000 Americans to die every year because they wait too long to take care of a problem, or can&#39;t afford the drugs they need? Are these matters OK to you?


    Here&#39;s another historical quote: "Let them eat cake." You probably like that one except for being made from grains.


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    OTB.. you crack ME up. It&#39;s very difficult to take you seriously.


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