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    Quote Originally Posted by diene View Post
    Maybe YogaBare can chime in too since she's had personal experience with the NHS.
    Yup, I gave detailed advice a few pages back

    They don't throw SSRIs at people here as readily as they do in the States, but if you say you're depressed they'll make them available to you.
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zach View Post
    Just make up shit to get their attention or at least exaggerate. Just say you eat well and nothings changed but you keep gaining weight, you have erectile dysfunction, sleep is shit, fatigued, etc. never say your depressed, say your optimistic and really want to get your life back. Docs will throw antidepressents at you without a second thought, thats what an endo did to me. Say you know you have low T and someones doctor dad thinks it might be hypo. Dont let the doc think for themselves, basically make them run the tests. Get a full thyroid panal if they will allow it and also free test not just total. There are other things to test as well but i doubt i he do much more then that.
    I don't have ED but should I just say I do? ( other than low energy, I'm not sure what else to say about Low T symptoms) I don't want some viagra, though I doubt he will give me that. Hopefully he won't ask if I'm sexually active, since I'm not and I'd rather not talk to him about mastrubation, lol. (though as a doctor he must know probably 95% of men do it)

    I agree about having to lay the ground of what he needs to do. With the thyroid, I've read most Docs just give TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) which is from the pituitary gland. If I say "full thyroid test", and he questions what that means for what ever reason, what can I say? T3 and T4? Is that "full"?

    I wonder how much these tests cost. Not that I care, but it's interesting to know exactly how many cut backs they need to make. (oh and my region is under strict and aggressive supervision as of this week. People dying needlessly, neglect of patients, not feeding or providing water, no out-of-hour support, all sort of shit they are failing on) Bit of chemistry here, but do you know how they actually test the bloods? Is it microscopes, chemicals or something like that?

    Quote Originally Posted by YogaBare View Post
    Yup, I gave detailed advice a few pages back

    They don't throw SSRIs at people here as readily as they do in the States, but if you say you're depressed they'll make them available to you.

    You sure did . I'm not going to say I'm depressed, just low energy, low motivation to get on with my life and it's not how a 22 year old should be!

    How long did it take to get your bloods back? Did they call you or did you need to call in if there wasn't a problem?
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    DriedMango wanted me to post more about my lifting adventures so i thought id post my current schedule on here for funsies.

    Right now im focusing on four main barbell movements, the snatch, deadlift, front squat and overhead press. All these are carryover movements to my main focus, the clean and jerk. Right now i connot do a full clean so instead of wasting time trying to fix it, im going to ditch it for awhile and work on the other aspects that will make me stronger and carry over to the last. The deadlift will help with the first pull and strengthen the posterior chain, front squat will help getting out of the hole and with the flexibility in the catch position and the overheard work will obviously help the jerk. The snatch i am good at so i will continue to bring that up and it will carry over with the explosiveness of the movement.

    Currently working out five days a week. 4 on, 1 off, 1 on, 1 off.

    The four days are strict strength, the 1 day is a fun day working on odd lifts, strongman/highland stuff, etc.

    Strength days are structured as follows.

    Join mobility warmup
    Area specific warmup - if im doing snatch ill do some kettlebell work. Overhead, will do some handstand stuff, etc.
    Power work - explosive exercises first, most of the time its just the barbell lift done fast.
    Strength - main portion of the session, lots of reps at heavy weight.
    Accessory/practice - either working a light exercise for the antagonist muscles or bodyweight/gymnastic work

    A typical day would look like this.

    Joint warmups, foam roll, dowel work.
    Kettlebell swings/snatches/press complex
    Barbell snatch balance, work speed down to full snatch + behind the neck jerk. Speed.
    Barbell full snatch up to that days 1rm then hit doubles in the hang snatch for 10 sets or so.
    Handstand presses, walk practice.

    The days rotate like this
    Heavy snatch/light overhead
    Heavy overhead/light squat
    Heavy deadlift/light snatch
    Heavy squat/light overhead

    Fun day is just whatever everybody wants to practice. Usually it turns into a contest. Im partial to barbell turkish getups, one arm barbell lifts (snatch, clean+jerk,two hand anywho) and carrys.


    I realize probably noone will care about this or even understand what im saying but its interesting to me and i like to read my own posts cause im cool like that. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zach View Post
    I realize probably noone will care about this or even understand what im saying...
    Ombat no understand but Ombat like see big muscles *slobber*
    Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zach View Post

    ... i like to read my own posts cause im cool like that. :P
    Lol me too! And I have no idea what any of that means. I'll stick to my basic movements and running

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nstocks View Post
    I don't have ED but should I just say I do? ( other than low energy, I'm not sure what else to say about Low T symptoms) I don't want some viagra, though I doubt he will give me that. Hopefully he won't ask if I have a girlfriend, since I don't and I'd rather not talk to him about mastrubation, lol. (though as a doctor he must know probably 95% of men do it)

    I agree about having to lay the ground of what he needs to do. With the thyroid, I've read most Docs just give TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) which is from the pituitary gland. If I say "full thyroid test", and he questions what that means for what ever reason, what can I say? T3 and T4? Is that "full"?

    I wonder how much these tests cost. Not that I care, but it's interesting to know exactly how many cut backs they need to make. (oh and my region is under strict and aggressive supervision as of this week. People dying needlessly, neglect of patients, not feeding or providing water, no out-of-hour support, all sort of shit they are failing on) Bit of chemistry here, but do you know how they actually test the bloods? Is it microscopes, chemicals or something like that?

    You sure did . I'm not going to say I'm depressed, just low energy, low motivation to get on with my life and it's not how a 22 year old should be!

    How long did it take to get your bloods back? Did they call you or did you need to call in if there wasn't a problem?
    In men, low testosterone may lead to:

    infertility,
    decrease sexual function and desire,
    erectile dysfunction (ED),
    hair loss,
    decreased muscle mass, and
    osteoporosis.

    Full thyroid in the UK is TSH and T4. They won't test T3 unless your either of those are out of range. And the range in the UK is much wider than in the rest of Europe. I fought and fought to get my T3 tested, cos my T4 was low by European standards, but just within UK standards, and my doc refused.

    You can google how much it costs to get these tests done privately: from what I remember it was 100 for TSH, T4 and T3.

    It takes up to a week, and you'll probably need to call them, and specifically ask them to give you your figures.


    Quote Originally Posted by ombat View Post
    Ombat no understand but Ombat like see big muscles *slobber*
    Literally snorted with laughter! Ombat funny
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Quote Originally Posted by YogaBare View Post
    In men, low testosterone may lead to:

    infertility,
    decrease sexual function and desire,
    erectile dysfunction (ED),
    hair loss,
    decreased muscle mass, and
    osteoporosis.

    Full thyroid in the UK is TSH and T4. They won't test T3 unless your either of those are out of range. And the range in the UK is much wider than in the rest of Europe. I fought and fought to get my T3 tested, cos my T4 was low by European standards, but just within UK standards, and my doc refused.

    You can google how much it costs to get these tests done privately: from what I remember it was 100 for TSH, T4 and T3.

    It takes up to a week, and you'll probably need to call them, and specifically ask them to give you your figures.




    Literally snorted with laughter! Ombat funny
    Are both T3 and T4 released by the thyroid gland? It seems strange that they wouldn't test both if they are from the same thing? On the other hand, I thought the thyroid released T4 and the liver (?) made that into T3, which gives a reason for not testing T3?

    It's strange/stupid that we have a different range the Europe. I mean, we are a diverse country and surely they should take influence from EU whom are just as diverse. I also get that different cultures may have slight variations, but we are all humans!

    Did you get your tests printed out by the Doc or did you ask the receptionist?

    I expected it to be several hundreds more for some reason. A child was in the news today because his Parents want to "pay back" the 250,000 it cost for bone marrow transplant. I'd never have though it cost that much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nstocks View Post
    On the other hand, I thought the thyroid released T4 and the liver (?) made that into T3, which gives a reason for not testing T3?
    Yes, t4 converts to t3 in the liver. That's why low carb can be bad for conversion. T3 is the active form of thyroid hormone.

    If they won't test t3 you could always do a send away test... But it will cost you out if pocket. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nstocks View Post
    It's strange/stupid that we have a different range the Europe. I mean, we are a diverse country and surely they should take influence from EU whom are just as diverse. I also get that different cultures may have slight variations, but we are all humans!
    I suspect the range is wider because we have free health care! Less diagnosed illness = fewer people's treatment to pay for.
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Quote Originally Posted by YogaBare View Post
    I suspect the range is wider because we have free health care! Less diagnosed illness = fewer people's treatment to pay for.
    Oh yes, of course! My Father had a health checkup the other month. He's 51, 22 stone (loosing weight though), smokes, doesn't exercise and eats crap with high LDL cholesterol. The nurse provided a "risk factor" which is marked out of 40. Higher the number the more likely you are to have major organ failures. My Father is marked as a risk factors of 17. WTF.

    I'm sorry but this is a typical case of most lifestyle related deaths yet they they are marking it as low risk? Of course they prefer to treat symptoms (which has has none of) than actually prevent the cause.

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