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    If it's not caused by any injuries you may want to look into endotoxin build up
    Time is passing so quickly. Right now, I feel like complaining to Einstein. Whether time is slow or fast depends on perception. Relativity theory is so romantic. And so sad.

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    Om and Zach, hi hi hi

    Thanks for replying!

    It started with poor seating at work: For years I sat on a stool, causing my whole head to jut out like a duck. You really can't sit up straight and maintain good posture. This is where it started. It made the muscles in my neck right where the neck meets the back of the skull completely seize up, giving me terrible tension headaches that can last for DAYS.

    Lousy pillows exacerbated it.

    Last December, I bought a buckwheat pillow and it made a WORLD of difference. However, I believe I have some extra damage done from an injury in Crossfit last year. I hurt myself during a warm-up and did the WOD anyway. BAAAAAAD idea. Anyway, I pissed off the muscles in my right trapezius, thereby this pulls on my neck, sending awful pain and coldness into my right arm. Late last year (before the buckwheat pillow) I had a few episodes where this literally SIEZED my entire right side, and I COULD NOT MOVE without being in screaming pain. No joke.

    Shoulder rolls and neck stretches help. I really, REALLY need to go back to yoga to keep my whole body limber. I'm not doing any exercise these days and haven't for a while (except dancing 1x/week). But this x-ray stuff is really bothering me
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    I'm not Om or Zach, but it seems isometric exercises then, would help -- press your right hand against the right side of your head, and use your neck muscles to resist the motion. Do that about 15-20 times. Get a thorough diagnostic on it though, preferably from a good orthopedist.

    Oh, and start high dosing aspirin and vitamin k
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derpamix View Post
    I'm not Om or Zach, but it seems isometric exercises then, would help -- press your right hand against the right side of your head, and use your neck muscles to resist the motion. Do that about 15-20 times. Get a thorough diagnostic on it though, preferably from a good orthopedist.

    Oh, and start high dosing aspirin and vitamin k
    I dint know if i would start right of trying to strengthen the neck but yea i think you should start doing a few things.

    1. Find a could physical therapist/ART guy and work on posture and tissue suppleness.

    2. Start doing a daily mobility drill of foam rolling, joint circles and swings, etc.

    3. Start a strength training routine and focus heavily on the posterior chain.

    4. Start eating a anti inflammatory diet and like dero said, do the aspirin and some other drugs/supplements thatll help keep the inflammation at bay and also start rebuilding your neck.

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    I went to a physical therapist for my neck a while ago due to bad posture as well. I have an eye sight condition that caused me to hunch over in school for years and created a lot of pain, hunch-backedness (the technical term) etc.

    I also wouldn't advise you any which way since yours is much more severe, coupled with injuries and such, but when you ARE ready to do exercises, there are a lot that can really strengthen your neck. Besides what Derp said, you can lie on your back on a bed (for example) with just your head and neck hanging off of the bed. Lift you head and tuck in your chin. Hold for 10 seconds. Continue to increase the reps, times, etc. You can also do this lying on your side and your stomach. I would start with whatever a therapist tells you to first, however. I hope you recover quickly.

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    Yikes. Ummm...I really love my athletic therapist and she is the only person who's been able to help me with my neck problems. And that's through seeing a lot of different specialists. She does soft tissue release and trigger point therapy. But I will ask her what her suggestions are going forward. I completely forgot to mention: I've had back issues in the past (back spasms caused by gallbladder spasms...thankfully, that sucker was taken out), and was in a car accident last year that really weakened my back. My athletic therapist and I are working on muscle endurance, and then she suggests bulking up and going back to weight lifting, which I loved and made HUGE improvements in back pain (as in, it was completely gone).

    Now, having said all that, if this pain in my neck/shoulder/radiating going down my arm doesn't improve in the next few weeks (and it just came back yesterday), then I'm going back to my doctor. I *will* consider seeing an orthopedist.

    A couple questions for all ya'll:

    I've read that high dosing vitamin k is dangerous. Is this true? I'm not eating any leafy greens these days unless I juice 'em. Even then, vitamin k is fat soluble. I'm not sure I want to add coconut oil or butter to my veggie/fruit juice, because that sounds FUCKING NASTY. I'm not sure I want to start taking Aspirin either, as using Advil for years has already screwed up my stomach enough and given me gastritis.

    Secondly, what is an anti-inflammatory diet when you're following a Matt Stone protocol? Isn't sugar inflammatory? I'm not eating a lot of gluten these days, but when I want it, I eat it. Wheat is supposedly anti-inflammatory too. I do love ginger, so I add it to juices...what else? I've never had any luck with MSM as an anti-inflammatory.

    Edited again to add: I've just discovered that bromelain is an anti-inflammatory. And here I thought it was just a good digestive aid! I'll start taking it again. And gelatin as well helps with inflammation. I'm going to buy some papaya while I'm out today, and some seaweed. I'll have to take a break from eating white potatoes (NOOOOOO!) and stick to sweet potatoes and rice. Shiitake and oyster mushrooms are good too. Good thing I had to go grocery shopping this morning!
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    Just to add to Patski's questions:

    Is iodine needed for thyroid if the only seafood I'm eating is Salmon (and salt)?

    If there any need to incorporate gelatine as a supplementation approach? I take it you can only add it to hot drinks?

    I've been having trouble sleeping lately, often waking 3 hours after going to be, then another 3 hours after that. Not to use the toilet, but just because I'm not sleeping very well.

    As I understand it, anti-inflammatory is mostly about avoiding bad oils/fats and gluten. I know sugar is inflammatory but what about honey?

    Lastly, for my breakfast I normally eat fruit and milk and plan on making oat flapjacks with raisins (and salt and butter). Rather than eating the fruit as it is, would it be better to make a smoothie with goat milk, fruit, perhaps some green juice?
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    Sorry, I'm backing out of the eating contest. I decided that it's silly to eat 15,000 calories in an hour just to prove that I can beat you. Not when I'm trying to lose 12-17 pounds. Hah! But once I lose that weight...maybe. Still down for a peach-eating contest though. Can only do so much damage with peaches. Heh.

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    Sugar isn't inflammatory. Inflammation, causes, and foods, are largely misleading.

    Regeneration and degeneration - Types of inflammation change with aging

    Foods that could be considered inflammatory are foods rich in inflammatory aminos, those high in PUFA, and anything that elicits an allergenic response -- ie; bloating, stomach pains, fatigue, etc;

    I've read that high dosing vitamin k is dangerous. Is this true? I'm not eating any leafy greens these days unless I juice 'em. Even then, vitamin k is fat soluble. I'm not sure I want to add coconut oil or butter to my veggie/fruit juice, because that sounds FUCKING NASTY. I'm not sure I want to start taking Aspirin either, as using Advil for years has already screwed up my stomach enough and given me gastritis.
    Most people who haven't been eating rich sources of k2 foods all their lives are probably deficient in vitamin k, and it works synergestically with other fat soluble vitamins anyway, so creating a surplus is unlikely. It also regulates calcification and blood coagulation.

    Vitamin k2 is the more beneficial and potent form of vitamin k, and could replace vitamin k in every function, since the ability to convert vitamin k, and for it to do its tasks is directly related to the amount of carbon dioxide available. It also has to be converted to k2 anyway to perform those functions by digestive flora.
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    Holy shit, that is a long read that I'm not prepared to read right now!

    I eat eggs and butter frequently, both of which contain k2. I dunno about supplementing man....argh
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