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    Question high fat + high carb ?

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    can someone explain to me why eating high fat + high carb is the worst option and would make you gain weight "i read this in on of the posts just cant remember which one "

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    carb turn to glucose which is immediately (sort of) available to your body for its energy needs.
    Fats are another energy source for the body but an high glucose environment means high insulin to transport the glucose to your cells, and this happens to inhibit lipolysis (fat burning) so the fat will be stored to your adipose cells for future use. If you maintain a high carb and high fat diet, you will never give your body a chance to truly use your adipose store and will keep on with storing fat. Even excess glucose will turn into fat because that is what the body does: store excess energy for future needs (when you cannot eat for a long time) and fat is the best most concentrated way to store it.

    If you go low carb, you will for a while force your body to use your fat store because it will be its best bet for energy. But then, things are not exactly linear and your metabolic state will change ... it is a very complex topic.

    But yes, high fat + high carb are not exactly right. Note that most junk food out there is exactly that (both macro-nutrient high) and this could explain why many people get quite obese.

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    Cause carbs make you fat.

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    The combo of high fat/high carbs is what got most of us who are overweight, overweight in the first place.
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    It doesn't.

    You can't have a high carb/high fat diet really. Even if you're eating a low protein diet, you'll what, be 40-45% fat and 40-45% carbs? Having an overall low protein diet isn't fattening unless it's in a caloric surplus. Because protein is more satisfying than fat or carbohydrate, chances are if you don't count calories you'll wind up eating more calories, which will lead to weight gain.

    Furthermore, overeating fat and carbohydrate is more fattening than overconsuming protein. Protein has a very high burn rate and is difficult to convert into body fat, so overeating protein will naturally lead to the least amount of fat gain. Carbohydrate is next. Because it is first partitioned to glycogen, then it has a 5-10% burn rate, then it must be converted into fat via de novo lipogenesis, it's a bit of a trial for the body to convert. When you overconsume fat, it's directly stored, so overconsuming fat will probably lead to the most body fat gain. When you consume carbohydrate AND fat in a surplus, since carbohydrate elevates insulin and inhibits fat burning, that fat is directly stored. Overeating fat+carbs in unison will give you the worst results of all.

    Of course, protein elevates insulin just as much as carbohydrate, so overeating fat and protein in unison suffers from similar problems. This is why bodybuilders overeat carbohydrate+protein in unison to put on lots of lean mass without lots of fat gain - when you remove dietary fat from the equation and overeat, you're the least likely to get chubby and most likely to put on lean mass since there is no fat to directly store.

    Of course, if you're not overeating, none of this matters!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neckhammer View Post
    Cause carbs make you fat.
    Oh you.

    Just remember, the fat you eat is the fat you wear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    It doesn't.

    You can't have a high carb/high fat diet really. Even if you're eating a low protein diet, you'll what, be 40-45% fat and 40-45% carbs? Having an overall low protein diet isn't fattening unless it's in a caloric surplus. Because protein is more satisfying than fat or carbohydrate, chances are if you don't count calories you'll wind up eating more calories, which will lead to weight gain.

    Furthermore, overeating fat and carbohydrate is more fattening than overconsuming protein. Protein has a very high burn rate and is difficult to convert into body fat, so overeating protein will naturally lead to the least amount of fat gain. Carbohydrate is next. Because it is first partitioned to glycogen, then it has a 5-10% burn rate, then it must be converted into fat via de novo lipogenesis, it's a bit of a trial for the body to convert. When you overconsume fat, it's directly stored, so overconsuming fat will probably lead to the most body fat gain. When you consume carbohydrate AND fat in a surplus, since carbohydrate elevates insulin and inhibits fat burning, that fat is directly stored. Overeating fat+carbs in unison will give you the worst results of all.

    Of course, protein elevates insulin just as much as carbohydrate, so overeating fat and protein in unison suffers from similar problems. This is why bodybuilders overeat carbohydrate+protein in unison to put on lots of lean mass without lots of fat gain - when you remove dietary fat from the equation and overeat, you're the least likely to get chubby and most likely to put on lean mass since there is no fat to directly store.

    Of course, if you're not overeating, none of this matters!!!
    Thank you. It's important to not leave out the part about a surplus of any calories. You can eat a 45/45/10 diet and still lose or maintain weight; conversely, you can gain if overall caloric intake is too high for your output.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    It doesn't.

    You can't have a high carb/high fat diet really. Even if you're eating a low protein diet, you'll what, be 40-45% fat and 40-45% carbs? Having an overall low protein diet isn't fattening unless it's in a caloric surplus. Because protein is more satisfying than fat or carbohydrate, chances are if you don't count calories you'll wind up eating more calories, which will lead to weight gain.

    Furthermore, overeating fat and carbohydrate is more fattening than overconsuming protein. Protein has a very high burn rate and is difficult to convert into body fat, so overeating protein will naturally lead to the least amount of fat gain. Carbohydrate is next. Because it is first partitioned to glycogen, then it has a 5-10% burn rate, then it must be converted into fat via de novo lipogenesis, it's a bit of a trial for the body to convert. When you overconsume fat, it's directly stored, so overconsuming fat will probably lead to the most body fat gain. When you consume carbohydrate AND fat in a surplus, since carbohydrate elevates insulin and inhibits fat burning, that fat is directly stored. Overeating fat+carbs in unison will give you the worst results of all.

    Of course, protein elevates insulin just as much as carbohydrate, so overeating fat and protein in unison suffers from similar problems. This is why bodybuilders overeat carbohydrate+protein in unison to put on lots of lean mass without lots of fat gain - when you remove dietary fat from the equation and overeat, you're the least likely to get chubby and most likely to put on lean mass since there is no fat to directly store.

    Of course, if you're not overeating, none of this matters!!!
    So much this. Brilliant post, sir.

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    Bwahaha....broscience!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neckhammer View Post
    Bwahaha....broscience!
    Way to troll for another epic CICO thread.

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