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    Personally I like to think of what I eat as the modern hunter/gatherer diet: So here is a general analysis of what they eat in macro terms....

    Whole Health Source: Composition of the Hunter-Gatherer Diet

    " On average, the hunter-gatherer groups analyzed got about 70% of their calories from hunted foods. This makes the case that meat-heavy omnivory is our preferred ecological niche. However, it also shows that we can thrive on a plant-rich diet containing modest amounts of quality animal foods."

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    i dont know what are the direct sources of these "epidemiological evidence.. in almost all societies" and as far as i know you could be spamming like black timber over there (ur high post counts could be indicative that you are not)

    1) though i realised that what's important here is that the world's nutritionists, the most leading and the most cutting edge, if they haven't figured this all out and recommended something to society at large, along with their studies and sources,

    2) and if those that do epidemiology havent found ten or even a single widespread disease by eating 50% protein (omg! 20% above the maximum level that is historically "safe")

    ** then it's a good enough guess that you should go dancing and that i should go solve my straving probelm -- once and for all

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    and that link is to a palo blog that i've seen before from an academic (i think though that i rather just eat what is generally considered to be healthy, which is perfectly fine -- no need for these new and ongoing fabs)
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    Oh, so you were just trolling rather than actually looking for scientific thought.... got it. Why didn't you just say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derpamix View Post
    Low carb diets cause cortisol secretion among many other adverse effects(such as it being an inefficient process in which 6 molecules of ATP are needed before your body can create glucose to use) and excess cortisol causes bloating, weight gain, uneven body fat distribution, etc etc

    Stress and body shape: stress-induced ... [Psychosom Med. 2000 Sep-Oct] - PubMed - NCBI
    Stress-induced cortisol, mood, and fat distribution... [Obes Res. 1999] - PubMed - NCBI
    Low calorie dieting increases cortisol. [Psychosom Med. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI
    None of those back up your statement....all you've shown is that stress can cause a change in weight distribution and that dieting can be a stressor. What you need to find to back your stance is a low carb vs higher carb study where the calories, protein, and activity levels are constant showing that the low carb group has a proportionately statistically significant worse change in H/W ratio. If you can't find this study then you may have to redefine what you think you know about the biochemical draw backs of low carb dieting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neckhammer View Post
    Personally I like to think of what I eat as the modern hunter/gatherer diet: So here is a general analysis of what they eat in macro terms....
    That's the best study I've seen, but that link didn't show the tables.

    See pg 689 of the link below for the macro tables (35/65 plant/animal to 65/35 plant/animal mixes). But his frequency tables on pg 684 seem to show most tribes were heavier on the animal side. You need to take into consideration how fat the animals are...and that gives you the appox macro nutrient breakdown.

    In situations where they ate a lot of animal, but animals with low body fat, they got as much as 50% protein. With animals of high body fat it was 60% fat. Basically there is no one perfect human macro formula, lots of different diets that can work, as long as it's not 100% plant!!!

    http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/3/682.full.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by neckhammer View Post
    oh, so you were just trolling rather than actually looking for scientific thought.... Got it. Why didn't you just say so
    lol +1

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