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    in the process of un-carbing but endurance is a challenge

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    Hi all,

    I'd love to hear your opinion on the following: my husband is in the process of going primal, and has minimal carbs (bar an occasional treat here and there). Adaptation is going well, supported by IF (16/8), mostly for inflammation-reduction and longevity.
    He's been doing it for a few weeks now, but the last few days he experiences more fatigue, and sports (tennis) is tough without carbing up.
    I need to add that he started his primal experiment and IF at the same time.
    My question is: what do you think is the wisest thing for him to do here: back off the IF a bit, get fully fat-adapted first, then pick up IF again? Or tough it out?
    (Oh: does IF promote fat-adaptation this way?)


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    Have him eat carbs with dinner, like a potato, sweet potato, or a serving of rice. It is not necessary to go very low carb.

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    Why is he avoiding carbs?
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    paleo/primal is not low carb
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    Thanks for your feedback!
    The low carb is an experiment to reduce inflammation, and it fits more or less with primal (?).
    (Minimal carbs here = no bread or pasta, unless as a treat; oats and quinoa twice a week or so. Legumes like chickpeas: from time to time)

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    Dumbellina,

    Oats and legumes are not exactly primal and they could cause inflammation.

    If your husband plays a lot of sports, he needs to replenish muscle glycogen by upping carbs. Sweet potato, yam, potato, rice, etc are all excellent sources. He can also take coconut water if a tennis game goes beyond 2 hours.

    Like other posters mentioned, Paleo/ Primal isn't exactly low-carb, although reducing carbs would help weight loss and ease chronic fatigue disease, insulin-resistance symptoms, etc. Our micronutrients requirement is all different, so your husband just has to keep experimenting until he finds the 'perfect formula'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dumbellina View Post
    Thanks for your feedback!
    The low carb is an experiment to reduce inflammation, and it fits more or less with primal (?).
    (Minimal carbs here = no bread or pasta, unless as a treat; oats and quinoa twice a week or so. Legumes like chickpeas: from time to time)
    I think you're confusing the *word* carbohydrates with the *source* of carbohydrates. Wheat and cereal grains and legumes aren't bad because of their carb counts. They are bad because of their irritating and inflammatory anti-nutrients.

    There are carbohydrates in dairy, fruit, colorful and leafy vegetables, starchy vegetables, nuts, seeds, etc.... most of which are tolerated to some degree by most people. Your mileage my vary. An active person who isn't insulin resistant, diabetic, pre-diabetic, or attempting to lose fat has no reason to restrict carbohydrates. The key is to eat non-grain, non-legume (non-irritating) sources.
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    Adapting to low carb for athletic endeavors could very well take him longer than just a few weeks. But, from what you have posted I wouldn't consider what your doing "low carb". So its likely he's just not eating enough.
    Last edited by Neckhammer; 04-26-2013 at 04:52 PM.

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    Thank you all for your reactions.
    Things are falling into place, but still in the process of experimenting & learning
    Have a great week!

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    Hello Dumbellina,

    You should get the book "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance" by Phinney and Volek so your husband (and you) know how to tackle "uncarbing" and still perform.

    I can try to give you a few tips:

    - while becoming "fat-adapted", don't work out too much
    - low carb - high fat diets are not necessarily ketogenic diets and some people do not tolerate being in the "fuel limbo" if physical performance is paramount (the body does not get enough carbs but is not very efficient at fat burning ... can be a problem). If he wants to experiment, he will have to go fully ketogenic for a while. What about a variation of the "steak and eggs diet" (with a few leafy greens on the side to not make it too boring) with plenty of butter ? This is close to zero "net-carb" and will make him go fully ketogenic (if the amount of proteins is not too high, so he can skip egg whites once in a while).
    - ketogenic diets make hunger "almost" a thing of the past, but you do have to eat if physical performance is important. The thing about being ketogenic is that glycogen is mostly spared and only used when really required. The brain will mostly run of ketones (with much less glucose than a non ketogenic one) and the muscles will burn free fatty acids when effort is not maxed out (60% VO2max).

    Nutritional ketosis is a very special metabolic state and must be entered by a well tailored diet that will provide ALL needed nutrients (macro and micro). Read the book I recommend and follow the experts' advice.

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