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    Americans Getting Shorter

    The other days I was thinking; if the dawn of agriculture 10,000 years ago resulted in a 4" decrease to our height, isn't it possible the processed food era is doing the same?

    Here is an article from 2004 that says height in the US is decreasing, while height in Europe is on the rise...

    "America has eight million people with no job, 40 million individuals with no health insurance, 35 million living below the poverty line, and a population that exists mainly on junk food. There, the rise in average height that marked its progress as a nation through the 19th and 20th centuries has stopped and has actually reversed - albeit very slightly - in recent years. Many Americans are rich and do well anatomically as a result, but there is a large underclass that is starting to drag the country down the stature charts."

    Americans shrinking as junk food takes its toll

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    When science is driven by ideloogy, insanity results. Interesting article, but he attributes the shrinkage of Americans to inequality of incomes. Thus, if our poorer had more money, they'd eat better. Shrinkage is due to insufficient health care.

    Do you believe that?

    I'd believe we're skrinking all right. But our bad nutrition is due to, exactly, the CW & SAD we're taught by our health carers, the NIH, CDC, FDA, Fed. Gov't, etc. Money available to spend on food is not an issue. Doesn't he know all our poorer have more than sufficient EBT cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptocode View Post
    Money available to spend on food is not an issue. Doesn't he know all our poorer have more than sufficient EBT cards.
    So you really believe that the money a poor person gets on their EBT card is enough to pay for a month's worth of meat and vegetables for their family?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eKatherine View Post
    So you really believe that the money a poor person gets on their EBT card is enough to pay for a month's worth of meat and vegetables for their family?
    When I worked at the grocery store, EBT cards purchased copious amounts of organic foods, none of which I could afford as a college student. At least the EBT cards here in WA could get you organic fruits, veggies, cheese and meats. EBT cards are just another form of food 'allowance' which does not base what you get off of price, but soley off of 'what you get.' A block of cheese could cost $12 for us regular folks using money, and we'd opt for the $6 kind of cheese instead. for EBT folk they get "a block of cheese" and they could choose whichever one they want. Price is not an issue. You can eat as well as you choose to eat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kathleen View Post
    When I worked at the grocery store, EBT cards purchased copious amounts of organic foods, none of which I could afford as a college student. At least the EBT cards here in WA could get you organic fruits, veggies, cheese and meats. EBT cards are just another form of food 'allowance' which does not base what you get off of price, but soley off of 'what you get.' A block of cheese could cost $12 for us regular folks using money, and we'd opt for the $6 kind of cheese instead. for EBT folk they get "a block of cheese" and they could choose whichever one they want. Price is not an issue. You can eat as well as you choose to eat.
    That's not what I'm saying. EBT cards can buy anything that qualifies as "food". The issue is that the value of the benefit is by design intended to buy less than half the food the recipients need, and that (again, by intention) is cheap food that is high in starches. It is not intended to supply recipients with enough fresh food so they could stop sugar and grains. If people bought mostly meat and vegetables with their benefit, they would end up with a fraction of the food they would need to feed their family and run out of money before the first week of the month was over.

    I'm not saying that people who get EBT are educated enough to choose healthy food, given the choice. They are about as food-savvy as the general public, which gets its "information" from product ads and press releases masquerading as news stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eKatherine View Post
    That's not what I'm saying. EBT cards can buy anything that qualifies as "food". The issue is that the value of the benefit is by design intended to buy less than half the food the recipients need, and that (again, by intention) is cheap food that is high in starches. It is not intended to supply recipients with enough fresh food so they could stop sugar and grains. If people bought mostly meat and vegetables with their benefit, they would end up with a fraction of the food they would need to feed their family and run out of money before the first week of the month was over.

    I'm not saying that people who get EBT are educated enough to choose healthy food, given the choice. They are about as food-savvy as the general public, which gets its "information" from product ads and press releases masquerading as news stories.
    Please see: Electronic Benefit Transfer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    "State agencies work with contractors to procure their own EBT systems for delivery of SNAP and other state-administered benefit programs." EBT level of benefits are determined by each state. SNAP is Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. Note the word "Supplemental". States choose the benefit level they want to supplement and this is determined for each receipent. Supplemental means to supplement, not to completely replace.

    EBT benefits include both food and cash. See EXCLUSIVE: Welfare recipients using EBT cards to get cash at strip clubs, X-rated video stores and bars - NYPOST.com. The cash received by a recipient can be used for any purpose including but not limited to food. If the cash is being used for the referenced purposes (also for cruises and hotels) the recipients are clearly making the choice not to spend it on food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptocode View Post
    Doesn't he know all our poorer have more than sufficient EBT cards.
    $200/month for a single person doesn't buy a lot of grass fed beef or pastured eggs. Could you really do primal without CAFO meats and farmed fish on $50/week?
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    I had a response typed out, then I read the article and found that it made every point I was going to make, except for this one:
    All the middle-aged Chinese people I know are relatively short, and some of them very short, but most of them were young during the famines of the 60's and 70's. My one really short Chinese friend says he never had enough to eat until he was 10 years old, when they started some of the farming reforms. The main reform was to make every rural family responsible for a chunk of land, and let them keep 80% of what they produced. The agricultural production went up by 700% in a year or two, as opposed to when the whole village "worked" together on the one big piece of land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfreaksho View Post
    All the middle-aged Chinese people I know are relatively short, and some of them very short, but most of them were young during the famines of the 60's and 70's.
    Yep, lots of examples in history that show the relationship between height and nutrition. South Koreans are taller than North Koreans. Since they were one people until recently the obvious explanation is the poor nutrition / hunger in the North.

    I hadn't thought of Americans as getting shorter until recently. But to me they seem like they are getting weaker? I wasn't alive in the 50s, but from photos/movies it seems like people were hardier, more human looking? Now there are so many guys who look like Michael Stipe, or fat and weak. There was one study that showed testosterone levels are crashing hard. That could be a big part of it, probably related to nutrition and stress.

    Damn people, eat some meat. Take a vacation. Eat some meat on vacation.

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    Unhealthy people keep breeding and this is the result. Thankfully I was given good genes and didn't stunt my growth with diets. My father was a massive 6'6 260lb linebacker, and my mother is 5'11. I ended up somewhere in the middle at 6'3 but about 110lbs lighter than my dad.

    Also, blame soy formula and the stigma of breast feeding. Oh, and estrogen.
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