Denise Minger dealt with this pretty thoroughly For Vegans | Raw Food SOS
Are you able to survive on a a raw vegan diet without taking supplements? If not then the raw vegan diet would be unsustainable in the evolutionary process.
We know that B12 comes from animals, however Vitamin B12 comes from bacteria in soil, so in theory as long as a raw vegan eat plenty of dirt they'd be fine.
The other question I have is why are so many raw vegans so defensive? My conclusion is they have built a life around what they eat and not who they are.
"The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money"
You won't find too much disagreement here.
Yes its possible. When your diet becomes a religion, you get defensive. Not limited to just vegans..
Veganism becomes a cult for most of its adherents. The funny thing is, they never acknowledge the hypocrisy of veganism. Most vegans eat that way because they don't want to kill and consume animals. How many animals are killed when the combine harvesters roll through the fields? Rodents, birds, insects, etc., all killed and not put to use. Are those animals less important from an ethical standpoint than a cow or a pig?
SW (1/4/12): 326 lbs. (48% BF)
Steak and Eggs SW (5/11/13): 198 lbs.
CW (6/2/13): 185.4 lbs. (??% BF)
GW: 185 lbs. (~15% BF)
0.4 lbs. to go, ??% BF to go
What I dislike most about vegans are their claims to being "ethical". Their Utopia consists of turning the planet into a giant monocultural maize & soy plantation, kept going with massive amounts of pesticides and fertilizer.
This article shines some light on what exactly the substance we call "Vitamin B12" is... a compound found in feces that we would ideally never have to worry about being deficient in if we fertilized crops the old-fashioned way.
*B12 Breakthrough - Missing Nutrient Found in Plants*|* T. Colin Campbell Foundation
I'm not a raw vegan, that sounds miserable and awful (no sweet potatoes?!? no steamed aspargus with garlic? no thanks), but I haven't had meat or eggs since January (haven't had dairy in even longer) and I've never felt better. Doesn't mean I'll keep it up forever but it feels more right for me right now than forcing myself to eat meat when I didn't want to did. *shrug*
By the way, what the heck is vegan anyhow? I thought vegetarians ate a lot of vegetables, but actually a lot of them just chow down on pasta and crap right? I eat more vegis than the avg vegetarian I bet. So what is a vegan, they truly only eat vegis? Or they eat only raw vegis or what? It's all so confusing...
I think vegetarians will eat animal product (milk, eggs) but not the animal itself.
I think vegans will not eat any animal or animal product whatsoever.
I think they are both misguided.
Stumbled into Primal due to food allergies, and subsequent elimination of non-primal foods.
Start Gluten-Free/Soy-Free: December 2012; start weight 158lbs, Ladies size 6
Start Primal: March 2013, start weight 150lbs, Ladies size 6
Current: 132lbs, Ladies size 2
26lbs lost since cutting the crap.