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    People with hypothyroid-- carb question!

    Hi all,

    I'm new to Primal and to MDA, so i'm sorry if this topic has been beaten to death!

    I just started Primal a few days ago. I am hypothyroid and have been on Armour for about 5 weeks. I've gained about 25 lbs over the past few years due to hypothyroid. My question is- what amount of carbs is a "safe" level to not affect the thyroid but still promote weight loss? Right now I'm starting out at about 120-150g, but I don't know if that's too low/too high. I kept my calories the same for now (maintain at about 2200, and just decreased the carbs and upped the fats)

    I'm a 23 y.o female, active (5-6 days per week of moderate lifting/cardio),

    Anyone with experience/wisdom? Thanks!

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    Carbs/low carb don't effect your actual thyroid gland one way or the other. I actually like low carb for people with hashimotos hypothyroid as it seems to work well with autoimmune problems. Carbs do however effect your conversion rate in the liver. So if you are suffering from liver dysfunction of some sort this could very well lead to hypo symptoms.

    I guess the real question is at what point of the process are your thyroid hormones being encumbered? What kind of hypo are you?
    Last edited by Neckhammer; 04-19-2013 at 06:46 PM.

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    OK thanks, I just took my temp and it is down significantly (after being low carb for only 3 days) so this is worrisome. Not sure if this is just a transition? Or if my thyroid is already getting worse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMC View Post
    OK thanks, I just took my temp and it is down significantly (after being low carb for only 3 days) so this is worrisome. Not sure if this is just a transition? Or if my thyroid is already getting worse?
    First thing I would do is absolutely start dressing a lot more warmly. A lowered temp comes with its own series of problems. Dress as warmly as you can, drink hot drinks and take hot showers.

    Secondly, I think Marcadav has given you some good advice. Until your thyroid condition gets under control it will be hard for you to lose weight, and you may inhibit the healing process. Other than taking Armour, what else are you doing to treat your thyroid? What are your lab numbers?

    Also, people here will either advise you to raise carbs or raise fat. All this will tell you is how they eat. You need to listen to yourself. If your sleep has been effected and your temp is down, those are big signs that you're not going in the right direction.

    Try the shift to Primal eating without aiming for specific macros and see how that affects you.
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

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    Quote Originally Posted by YogaBare View Post
    First thing I would do is absolutely start dressing a lot more warmly. A lowered temp comes with its own series of problems. Dress as warmly as you can, drink hot drinks and take hot showers.

    Secondly, I think Marcadav has given you some good advice. Until your thyroid condition gets under control it will be hard for you to lose weight, and you may inhibit the healing process. Other than taking Armour, what else are you doing to treat your thyroid? What are your lab numbers?

    Also, people here will either advise you to raise carbs or raise fat. All this will tell you is how they eat. You need to listen to yourself. If your sleep has been effected and your temp is down, those are big signs that you're not going in the right direction.

    Try the shift to Primal eating without aiming for specific macros and see how that affects you.
    Thank you- I took your advice and wore a lot of layers to bed last night, and didn't wake up once! Took my temp this morning and it was 98.3- much better than where it was yesterday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMC View Post
    Thank you- I took your advice and wore a lot of layers to bed last night, and didn't wake up once! Took my temp this morning and it was 98.3- much better than where it was yesterday!
    That's great news! That will take the stress off your adrenals. But remember that dressing warm is just preventing more symptoms: keep focusing on restoring your thyroid function and other things will fall into place.
    Last edited by YogaBare; 04-20-2013 at 05:36 AM.
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Quote Originally Posted by YogaBare View Post
    That's great news! That will take the stress off your adrenals. But remember that dressing mit's just covering over the symptom is just preventing more symptoms: keep focusing on restoring your thyroid function and other things will fall into place.
    Thank you! My plan is to eat how ever many paleo carbs I want and focus on getting my thyroid and dosage optimized, then make more gradual changes in my diet.

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    Well your not exactly eating in a very low carb range so I would find it strange to be compromising even your conversion at that level. You do know that eating at under your caloric energy requirements (i.e. losing weight) also will lower your metabolism and give you those temp changes right? If you wanna crank up your metabolism and run hot then eat a ton of coconut product.....but you may well end up gaining weight as your doing so.

    Anyway, like I said before... what exactly is your thyroid issue? That really will effect the sort of advice you might need to follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neckhammer View Post
    Well your not exactly eating in a very low carb range so I would find it strange to be compromising even your conversion at that level. You do know that eating at under your caloric energy requirements (i.e. losing weight) also will lower your metabolism and give you those temp changes right? If you wanna crank up your metabolism and run hot then eat a ton of coconut product.....but you may well end up gaining weight as your doing so.

    Anyway, like I said before... what exactly is your thyroid issue? That really will effect the sort of advice you might need to follow.
    I am hypo (low) thyroid. I realize that a decrease in metabolism comes with weight loss but I find it odd that I had this response 1)only 3-4 days in and not even that low car and 2) my calories haven't been lowered. I just upped fat and lowered carbs

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    Since you are new to both primal and hypothyroidism my suggestion is to focus on health, not weight loss. It will take time to get adequately treated for your thyroid issues. Once you have been on the optimal dose and type of meds your body will need time to heal from the time it spent without enough thyroid hormones.

    Stressing your body with calorie restriction and/or too much exercise while trying to balance hormones will probably delay healing.I suggest eating primal foods to satiety and not focusing on macros.

    Things that can help thyroid function and hormone conversion include:
    1. Getting adequate selenium (200mcg/day)
    2. Getting adequate Vitamin D
    3. Getting adequate iron, including ferritin
    4. Getting enough calories and/or carbs
    5. Not over training
    6. Reducing stress

    Thyroid treatment is not a, " just take this pill and you'll be fine" journey. Rechecks, testing TSH, freeT4 and freeT3 , should be done every 6-8 weeks until frees are around midpoint of their range (many people need to be at midpoint or above) to feel well. Adjustment of meds should be slow as symptoms can lag behind blood work by months.

    It took me 8+years to get adequatey medicated. It took at least 6 months after that for my body to heal. After that, eating low carb (not VLC),then primal, and slowing adding exercise helped me get healthy. A perk of getting healthy is I lost weight--- 50+ lbs. I did not count calories or track macros.

    I have kept the weight off for 3+ years. There have been bumps in the road. Those bumps occur when my meds need adjustment.

    I hope this helps.

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