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    Quote Originally Posted by marcadav View Post
    Since you are new to both primal and hypothyroidism my suggestion is to focus on health, not weight loss. It will take time to get adequately treated for your thyroid issues. Once you have been on the optimal dose and type of meds your body will need time to heal from the time it spent without enough thyroid hormones.

    Stressing your body with calorie restriction and/or too much exercise while trying to balance hormones will probably delay healing.I suggest eating primal foods to satiety and not focusing on macros.

    Things that can help thyroid function and hormone conversion include:
    1. Getting adequate selenium (200mcg/day)
    2. Getting adequate Vitamin D
    3. Getting adequate iron, including ferritin
    4. Getting enough calories and/or carbs
    5. Not over training
    6. Reducing stress

    Thyroid treatment is not a, " just take this pill and you'll be fine" journey. Rechecks, testing TSH, freeT4 and freeT3 , should be done every 6-8 weeks until frees are around midpoint of their range (many people need to be at midpoint or above) to feel well. Adjustment of meds should be slow as symptoms can lag behind blood work by months.

    It took me 8+years to get adequatey medicated. It took at least 6 months after that for my body to heal. After that, eating low carb (not VLC),then primal, and slowing adding exercise helped me get healthy. A perk of getting healthy is I lost weight--- 50+ lbs. I did not count calories or track macros.

    I have kept the weight off for 3+ years. There have been bumps in the road. Those bumps occur when my meds need adjustment.

    I hope this helps.
    Thanks so much! I think I just made too much of a drastic change and my body freaked out. I think eating primal with no macro restrictions for now is a great idea and then making changes as my thyroid stabilizes.

    On top of being hypo., I was very vit D deficient, anemic (ferritin), and deficient in a few B vitamins. I started treatment for these when I started taking Armour, and started feeling a lot better a few weeks later.

    As for exercise, I've always been very active- currently running 3x a week (moderate intensity) and lifting 3-4x a week (also moderate)- taking 2 rest days. Is this too much? This has pretty much been my routine for a while (though I have scaled back the intensity the past few months). I admit I have that fear of weight gain if I stop, as I already have 25 extra lbs on me.

    Thanks for your advice- very helpful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YogaBare View Post
    First thing I would do is absolutely start dressing a lot more warmly. A lowered temp comes with its own series of problems. Dress as warmly as you can, drink hot drinks and take hot showers.

    Secondly, I think Marcadav has given you some good advice. Until your thyroid condition gets under control it will be hard for you to lose weight, and you may inhibit the healing process. Other than taking Armour, what else are you doing to treat your thyroid? What are your lab numbers?

    Also, people here will either advise you to raise carbs or raise fat. All this will tell you is how they eat. You need to listen to yourself. If your sleep has been effected and your temp is down, those are big signs that you're not going in the right direction.

    Try the shift to Primal eating without aiming for specific macros and see how that affects you.
    Thank you- I took your advice and wore a lot of layers to bed last night, and didn't wake up once! Took my temp this morning and it was 98.3- much better than where it was yesterday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMC View Post
    Thank you- I took your advice and wore a lot of layers to bed last night, and didn't wake up once! Took my temp this morning and it was 98.3- much better than where it was yesterday!
    That's great news! That will take the stress off your adrenals. But remember that dressing warm is just preventing more symptoms: keep focusing on restoring your thyroid function and other things will fall into place.
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    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

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    Quote Originally Posted by YogaBare View Post
    That's great news! That will take the stress off your adrenals. But remember that dressing mit's just covering over the symptom is just preventing more symptoms: keep focusing on restoring your thyroid function and other things will fall into place.
    Thank you! My plan is to eat how ever many paleo carbs I want and focus on getting my thyroid and dosage optimized, then make more gradual changes in my diet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMC View Post
    On top of being hypo., I was very vit D deficient, anemic (ferritin), and deficient in a few B vitamins. I started treatment for these when I started taking Armour, and started feeling a lot better a few weeks later.
    Do you mind if I ask what symptoms of hypothyroidism you were having? I am not currently vit D deficient, though I need to take very high doses to stay in normal range, but I am also anemic with very low ferritin levels. I am convinced I am also hypothyroid (many symptoms) but I saw my dr yesterday and he waved off my concerns stating that my TSH levels are fine (1.95 of a normal range of 0.4 - 5.0) and there's a "huge industry around low thyroid issues", as if this is some Weight Watchers/Jenny Craig bullshine (sorry, I'm pretty chuffed about the whole thing).

    Thanks, and best of luck to you sorting out your journey

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontwisst View Post
    Do you mind if I ask what symptoms of hypothyroidism you were having? I am not currently vit D deficient, though I need to take very high doses to stay in normal range, but I am also anemic with very low ferritin levels. I am convinced I am also hypothyroid (many symptoms) but I saw my dr yesterday and he waved off my concerns stating that my TSH levels are fine (1.95 of a normal range of 0.4 - 5.0) and there's a "huge industry around low thyroid issues", as if this is some Weight Watchers/Jenny Craig bullshine (sorry, I'm pretty chuffed about the whole thing).

    Thanks, and best of luck to you sorting out your journey
    Lemon, TSH is a measure of your pituitary function. It's only one part of the puzzle. And actually, within that TSH range there are more and less optimal numbers, and these differ from country to country.

    Screw the docs: my mum had a thyroid condition for 20 years before they diagnosed it, and then it was too late. You've got to take charge of your health: if you have symptoms something is going on. You need a full thryoid panel to determine if you've got a condition.

    Docs usually don't diagnose something until it's full blown.

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    Thank you! My plan is to eat how ever many paleo carbs I want and focus on getting my thyroid and dosage optimized, then make more gradual changes in my diet.
    Good plan
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontwisst View Post
    Do you mind if I ask what symptoms of hypothyroidism you were having? I am not currently vit D deficient, though I need to take very high doses to stay in normal range, but I am also anemic with very low ferritin levels. I am convinced I am also hypothyroid (many symptoms) but I saw my dr yesterday and he waved off my concerns stating that my TSH levels are fine (1.95 of a normal range of 0.4 - 5.0) and there's a "huge industry around low thyroid issues", as if this is some Weight Watchers/Jenny Craig bullshine (sorry, I'm pretty chuffed about the whole thing).

    Thanks, and best of luck to you sorting out your journey
    My TSH levels were actually pretty normal too. It was my T3 and T4 that were low. Symptoms were/are: cold hands/feet, lowered body temp, fatigue, exercise intolerance, low blood sugar, mild depression, and of course the weight gain. I suggest seeing an endocrinologist who will test your T3 and T4-- my endois a life saver! Hope this helped

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    Quote Originally Posted by YogaBare View Post
    Lemon, TSH is a measure of your pituitary function. It's only one part of the puzzle. And actually, within that TSH range there are more and less optimal numbers, and these differ from country to country.

    Screw the docs: my mum had a thyroid condition for 20 years before they diagnosed it, and then it was too late. You've got to take charge of your health: if you have symptoms something is going on. You need a full thryoid panel to determine if you've got a condition.

    Docs usually don't diagnose something until it's full blown.
    Yep, I know all too well that I have to stomp and snort and insist on getting things done I did convince him to test me for free T3/T4, but he refused to test for reverse T3 and absolutely would not request a 24hr cortisol saliva test. I might see my regular GP in the next little while and ask her to send me for those. The best part of the appointment was when he advised that my 10+lb weight gain in the last 6 or so weeks was because I was obviously eating too much (and made sure to point out that was a caloric excess of 35,000cal...thanks) and I should maybe try practicing portion control. He is, however, sending me for a fasting blood glucose test, because he's sure that my recent weight gain is an indication of insulin resistance. *facepalm*

    Quote Originally Posted by AMC View Post
    My TSH levels were actually pretty normal too. It was my T3 and T4 that were low. Symptoms were/are: cold hands/feet, lowered body temp, fatigue, exercise intolerance, low blood sugar, mild depression, and of course the weight gain. I suggest seeing an endocrinologist who will test your T3 and T4-- my endois a life saver! Hope this helped
    This is exactly me. I will definitely see my GP then and ask, along with the other test requests, to be referred to an endo. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
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    I'm hypo, T1.5 diabetic, and I feel better when I allow myself 50-100g carbs. I'm miserable, emotionally, when I force 25g or fewer on myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bork Bork View Post
    I'm hypo, T1.5 diabetic, and I feel better when I allow myself 50-100g carbs. I'm miserable, emotionally, when I force 25g or fewer on myself.

    Do what makes you feel good!
    Thank you! Did you have a rough transition to lower carb when you started primal? Did it exacerbate your thyroid symptoms at all?

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