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    Quote Originally Posted by YogaBare View Post
    I just got back from my doc, where I was getting my first blood test results since being veggie / vegan. I got Cholesterol, Thyroid and Ferretin checked.

    My cholesterol has gone up from a already-high 6 (232.01856 mg/dl) two years ago (when I was a border-line ana vegan) to a shocking 10.4 (402.16551 mg/dl) (eating meat, fat, carbs). I've never heard of someone having cholesterol that high.
    Hi, Yogi, it's easy to talk the talk, not so easy to walk the walk because the walk is personal and in the case of cholesterol, frightening. Please fear not! At 35 my TC was 536 and I'm still alive wtih no signs of heart disease whatsoever. With age my TC has slowly come down, and on PB it's continuing down - it's now in the 340 range.

    Of course my doctors look upon 340 with disgust, but all my ratios are good. Just smile at your doctor and thank him for his advice. You could also mention that last year 286,000 americans died of the side-effects of drugs, not the disease they were being treated for, but just the drug side-effects. And statins have really bad side effects. For females with no history of heart attacks, studies show NO benefit from statins.

    You know all this! A little anger at your doctor for not being up to date in his studies will reduce the fear.

    Please let us know the results of your second test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    Coconut Oil

    This is interesting and it could apply to you. Two things could potentially be happening:

    1.) Your liver could be detoxifying and releasing lots of cholesterol into your bloodstream from your healthier dietary changes. However, this would be the case only if this was a fairly new change for you. Have you been primal awhile? Your username is almost a year old, so if you've been primal this whole time this probably isn't the case.

    2.) Do you eat a lot of pork, poultry or the classic eggs, bacon, nuts and avocado while maintaining a low carbohydrate diet low in sodium? That would be a diet very high in unsaturated fats and low in sugar, starch and salt, which is a recipe for hypothyroidism. You may want to consider taking a supplement made of dessicated thyroid and adrenal tissues, like Raw Thyroid and Raw Adrenal in unison or Vitacost's Thyroid Complex, which I take twice a day.

    Oh, and salt your food with iodized salt

    Just some thoughts.
    Thanks Choco

    I'm hoping it's option 1.

    I've been here nearly a year, but my woe has had many stages.

    May - Nov: VLC - mostly eating nuts, eggs, olives, yogurt and meat (all kinds). Prob about 250gs fat per day (no joke).
    Dec: terrible month food-wise (junk food binge) but started eating carbs again.
    Jan: mostly dairy, eggs, fruit, fish (in that order). Cut pork and chicken and nuts.
    Feb and March: Mostly eggs, fruit, rice, potatoes, fish, shell fish and red meat (ground beef or lamb on the bone). Cut avos.
    April - rice, fruit, a bit of dairy, only red meat, some refined sugar, honey, loads of coconut products, loads of salt, lots of fish and shell fish.

    Haven't had any junk food or any alcohol in more than a month. I did eat some pork about two weeks ago, but other than that, fish is my only PUFA.

    I'm eating high carb: Macros for March averaged at 45:37:18 (C:F:P).

    I did suspect I am hypo though, as I have most of the symptoms and it runs in my family. Which is why I got my bloods done...
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    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

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    Thanks Derp Right, that does make more sense. I was speaking to Steve Richfield though and he said that having borderline high t4 means that my thyroid is working fine, but if t3 is low it means the glands around the thyroid aren't converting t4 to t3. How accurate do you think this is? He also said that glandular conversion issues are typically related to some sort of dietary or poisoning issue...
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptocode View Post
    Hi, Yogi, it's easy to talk the talk, not so easy to walk the walk because the walk is personal and in the case of cholesterol, frightening. Please fear not! At 35 my TC was 536 and I'm still alive wtih no signs of heart disease whatsoever. With age my TC has slowly come down, and on PB it's continuing down - it's now in the 340 range.

    Of course my doctors look upon 340 with disgust, but all my ratios are good. Just smile at your doctor and thank him for his advice. You could also mention that last year 286,000 americans died of the side-effects of drugs, not the disease they were being treated for, but just the drug side-effects. And statins have really bad side effects. For females with no history of heart attacks, studies show NO benefit from statins.

    You know all this! A little anger at your doctor for not being up to date in his studies will reduce the fear.

    Please let us know the results of your second test.
    Thank you Cryptocode!! That's so reassuring that at a similar age your numbers were even higher than mine and you've been fine! My doc practically told me that my options were 1) statins, 2) dying young. Seriously, if I hadn't been reprimanded for cursing by the mods already I'd be letting loose right now

    Did you ever find out if there was an underlying medical reason for your high TC?
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Quote Originally Posted by YogaBare View Post
    Thanks Derp Right, that does make more sense. I was speaking to Steve Richfield though and he said that having borderline high t4 means that my thyroid is working fine, but if t3 is low it means the glands around the thyroid aren't converting t4 to t3. How accurate do you think this is? He also said that glandular conversion issues are typically related to some sort of dietary or poisoning issue...
    Most t3 is converted in the liver
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derpamix View Post
    Most t3 is converted in the liver
    You mean that t3 is converted to t1, or t4 is converted to t3?
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Yoga, I'd be really cheap about it.

    1.) I'd first get a retest to make sure the first wasn't a mistake.
    2.) I'd take these two supps daily in the recommended serving:

    Natural Sources Raw Adrenal -- 60 Capsules - Vitacost
    Natural Sources Raw Thyroid -- 90 Capsules - Vitacost

    Perhaps Derma is right and you're having a T4 to T3 conversion problem. Wouldn't that indicate stressed adrenals? I'm not an expert with this kind of stuff. Instead, I'd buy a thermometer and see if the two supps raise your body temp if it is subnormal. If you're sitting at 98.6, maybe you don't want thyroid/adrenal supps. If you are in the 97's, you may be boderline hypo or fully hypo, which raises cholesterol. You should know if the dessicated thyroid and adrenal helps you because you should feel warmer and overall a lot better. If it has no effect or makes you feel worse, I'd discontinue use. For the $20 it can't hurt to do a single cycle and retest cholesterol.

    3.) Eliminate pork, poultry, fish, nuts and avocado from your diet temporarily and stick to lean ruminant meats and starches. Fructose may increase cholesterol, so I'd keep fruit consumption low as well. Cook only in coconut oil or pastured ghee/butter. Consider supplementing with coconut oil, like a teaspoon upon waking or before bed if it doesn't make you too energetic to sleep.

    4.) Get plenty of sun or take a Vitamin D supp with food. You may be low in Vitamin D, which would raise cholesterol.

    Other possibilities are deficiencies in Vitamin A and K, but if you're eating egg yolks and grassfed dairy...I'm not sure how likely that is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YogaBare View Post
    You mean that t3 is converted to t1, or t4 is converted to t3?
    Most is produced in the liver by a conversion of T4 into T3 by the deiodinase enzymes.
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    Hi YogaBare,

    I'm sorry that you had such a bad experience with your doc. Most GPs are morons, IMO. I figure that most of the smart people who went to med school ended up becoming specialists, and the pre-meds in my college chem and bio classes weren't really the smartest bunch either.

    It sucks that you're assigned a doc and that you're stuck with him. That's just crazy. I've had terrible experiences with multiple GPs. I described the worst one here (warning: contains TMI): http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread83344.html Man, if I were stuck with that woman I'd probably never go to the doctor ever again. I think it's rude and dumb that your doc tried to scare you into taking statins. For some reason, most docs have this knee-jerk reaction that medication is the answer to everything. Oh, you have this symptom, take this medication. (I think it's because they're too dumb to think about anything else, and it's easy to just know which meds to prescribe for which symptoms.) That doc I referred to in the above thread also scared me into taking the Miralax. (She needn't have pulled out the scare tactics--I was more than willing to comply at that point because I thought that Miralx was safe. I figured that it was just like synthetic fiber.) Anyway, she did pretty much tell me that my options were (1) start taking the Miralax permanently, or (2) risk never being able to go to the bathroom on my own ever again and having to carry around a bag. She literally told me this.

    I wonder if they teach this in med school: how to scare patients into medication compliance. (Incidentally, when I went to the podiatrist for plantar fasciitis, the doc tried to scare me into getting orthotics too. Said that if I didn't start wearing orthotics, my Achilles tendon--or some other tendon, can't remember--would eventually snap and my entire foot would collapse.)

    Anyway...I wish I could tell you something helpful about your cholesterol issue, but I don't really know much about it.

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