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    I'm not using any BC right now, but most recently (stopped to try and troubleshoot some other health issues) I was using an oral option called Centchroman (or Saheli) that's not hormonal (as in no synthetic hormones)...but also not available by prescription as a contraceptive in North America. The drug itself (ormeloxifene) is approved for use here, just to treat other things.
    I found out about it on Aphrodite women's health forum while looking for options to hormones after going nearly insane being on Yaz. I had been on it for about three years until I stopped this January and am impatiently awaiting the go-ahead from my internal specialist to get back on it...it's really that good. No PMS, no acne issues, no cramps, no weight gain, easier periods. I've noticed a significant difference just having been off it three months.
    After the first three months taking the pill at a twice-weekly dosage, it's one pill a week and the best part is how cheap it is - an 8 pill pack costs $0.85 or some ridiculous thing like that. Even with extra shipping (I have to have a PO box in the US, have it sent there, then forwarded here to Canada since the supplier won't ship here), a year and a half worth costs like $25.
    Sort of off topic, I know, but I looked long and hard at getting a copper IUD when I had to stop the pill (Mirena not an option, progestin-only makes me go batshit nuts), but the negatives I've read about have me convinced this pill is still my best option.

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    I use the copper IUD i love it. no problems. no hormones. I highly recommend it. if you aren't a over sensitive person, it's no issue. good luck!

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    Hi Serenity, havent you been doing the "Eating a Ton" thing for the last month..?
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

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    Does he like wearing condoms more or less than he likes sex? Would the condom thing be a relationship breaker? If it is, is that important?

    For years I've been off BC because it didn't seem "right" to be regulating my cycle with synthetic chemicals and hormones. Boyfriend at the time (now husband) doesn't love condoms but understands that preventing pregnancy doesn't have to lie totally on my shoulders and is willing to wear them for me. If he had his preference I'd be on BC Based on conversations with friends this doesn't seem to be the "normal" male response to this request.

    Up until recently I was pretty sure I was right about not screwing with nature by using BC but then started to think that in the past "natural" was being pregnant an awful lot and not menstruating... so maybe having a cycle every 28 days is actually going to turn out bad for me... who knows.

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    I used the copper IUD for years and had really heavy periods, but other than that it was fine. Except for the time I got pregnant with it in - definitely not fine, but also extremely unlikely. After that, I never replaced it and have been doing the condom thing. I don't like hormones and the Depo shot or that thing that gets inserted into your arm freaks me out. I can't imagine that taking birth control that stops your cycle entirely could be a good thing. I wish there was a better option. I would like to try tracking my fertility cycle but the costs of a mistake are pretty high.

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    You guys make some good points about the condom thing. It is a problem. But I'm pretty sure that the lower back pain is easier to deal with than his bitching and complaining.
    But it's annoying because it makes me feel like I'm 10 years older in the morning someitmes. It's not every morning, but some mornings I feel so stiff and sore that I dont' even want to get out of bed.
    So let me get this straight, dealing with intense back pain is less of a hassle than your SO's bitching? I can only think of myself after a bad workout, with my back pain at its worse and I never did not want to get out of bed. If it is that intense, you need to let your doctor know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meeshar View Post
    How long have you had it? It does take a while to "settle in" (I've heard 3-6 months) and there could be other factors contributing to the inflammation. There are also smaller copper IUDs but they're not as common in the US so doctors usually have to special order them. That might be worth a try if the Paragard simply isn't working out.
    I've had it for about 7.5 months. The menstrual cramps have gotten significantly better (they never bothered me that much to begin with), and my periods have been getting lighter as well. I'm mostly concerned about the weight gain, which may have nothing to do with the IUD, and the lower back pain.

    Quote Originally Posted by lemontwisst View Post
    After the first three months taking the pill at a twice-weekly dosage, it's one pill a week and the best part is how cheap it is - an 8 pill pack costs $0.85 or some ridiculous thing like that. Even with extra shipping (I have to have a PO box in the US, have it sent there, then forwarded here to Canada since the supplier won't ship here), a year and a half worth costs like $25.
    Interesting. I tend to be wary of drugs, but this sounds a lot better (cheaper and more convenient) than hormonal birth control. I may have to look into it.

    Quote Originally Posted by YogaBare View Post
    Hi Serenity, havent you been doing the "Eating a Ton" thing for the last month..?
    Yes, I have. My weight gain occurred way before the eating a ton experiment. It happened last August-September.

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    Does he like wearing condoms more or less than he likes sex? Would the condom thing be a relationship breaker? If it is, is that important?
    Hah! Good question.

    Quote Originally Posted by lorichka6 View Post
    Up until recently I was pretty sure I was right about not screwing with nature by using BC but then started to think that in the past "natural" was being pregnant an awful lot and not menstruating... so maybe having a cycle every 28 days is actually going to turn out bad for me... who knows.
    I think there's evidence that women who have given birth and breastfed for a significant amount of time are less likely to get breast cancer. Mostly because you don't have menstrual cycles while breastfeeding so less exposure to estrogen or something.

    Quote Originally Posted by magnolia1973 View Post
    So let me get this straight, dealing with intense back pain is less of a hassle than your SO's bitching? I can only think of myself after a bad workout, with my back pain at its worse and I never did not want to get out of bed. If it is that intense, you need to let your doctor know.
    Okay, so it's not intense back pain. It's more of a soreness/tightness than actual pain. It doesn't take a lot to make me not want to get out of bed. (I like to sleep a lot, preferably 9-10 hours a day, which I almost never get so any kind of physical discomfort is a great excuse to just stay in bed--haha). That said, I realize that my relationship is somewhat (or perhaps it is *really*) dysfunctional. I'm working on fixing that, but it's not going to happen instantaneously. And the condom thing is really a minor issue in the grand scheme of things so I'm disinclined to invest energy in it.

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    Have you considered that the weight gain is causing the back issues? Particularly if your boobs have grown or ut's an impact on your posture.

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    I don't think it's the weight gain. I've only gained about 8 pounds, and all of it has gone to my waist/belly. I have never gained weight on my boobs before. (I wish!) Also, I've been this heavy before and did not experience back pain although that was several years ago and I was younger then so I suppose it's possible. It's possible that my belly is so heavy that it's putting strain on my lower back. Arrgh! I need to lose this weight!

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    I did some more research on copper IUDs, and although the exact mechanism of action isn't well understood, it appears that, aside from the spermicidal properties of copper, the IUD itself, as a foreign object, triggers an immune reponse and causes chronic low-grade inflammation of the endometrium. This makes the endometrium inhospitable to the zygote so that even if some sperm manage to get past the copper and fertilize the egg, the zygote would be unable to implant.

    Chronic low-grade inflammation--I guess this would be a scientific explanation for self-reported weight gain by some women who have had copper IUDs inserted. And it makes sense that the degree of immune response, and hence inflammation, would vary from person to person so that only some women experience weight gain. Also, I'm thinking that it wouldn't be entirely impossible for the inflammation to also spread to the lower back--well, maybe that's a stretch. I don't know if I want chronic inflammation in my uterus even if it's asymptomatic.

    SIGH. This is all very inconvenient, but I think I may have the IUD removed and get fitted for a diaphragm. Maybe I could use a combination of the method in Taking Charge of Your Fertility (mentioned in another birth control thread) and the diaphragm. I actually know the author's brother (they co-wrote the book--she supplied the info, and he helped with the writing), and he gave me a copy of the book years ago when I was in college. I never used the method though since I always insisted on condoms back then (and measuring basal body temp every day sounds pretty inconvenient). But I might have to resort to it now. Think I still have the basal body temp thermometer from back then too.

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