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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnegans Wake View Post
    I tend to favor beef and lamb over pork and chicken - both because they are ruminant meats and because their economy from sustainbale farms is superior. The pork I do eat (Tamworth, Yorkshire, Berkshire and Large Black pigs) is vastly superior to the horrid stuff from grocery stores, which may as well be boiled rat. As for concerns over evolutionary similarities, we share ~97% of our genes with mice and rats, and that's not stopping me from killing the buggers if they get into the garage over winter and eat my grass seed. Actaully, we share most of our genes with other mammals, inviting the slippery slope argument toward vegetarianism. I understand that killing an animal and eating it is not pretty or happy business, but I have weighed all of this and decided to eat what I eat.

    Yes, there is the argument that it's easy to eat what others kill, but that's the nature of societies: we have a division of labor, whereby people specialize in doing what others don't wish to do. I don't particularly care about automobile mechanics, so fix me up and get me on my way: here's a swipe of my card, which now enables you to go buy pork: and now the pork farmer can go buy clothing for his family: hooray for cooperation. That said, I think it is instructive for people to know where their food comes from, and moral to choose the most humane and sustainable practices. Vote with your wallet. In this we have the choice to remove power from the shitty conditions at Smithfield farms, and to reward Farmer Smith down the road a bit, with his pigs who have free run of pasture, sunshine, and rooting for apples and food appropriate for a pig.

    In fact, supporting permaculture and sustainable farms, those with pastured livestock, helps larger environmental issues exacerbated by monoculture (whether they feed CAFOs or vegetarians). It's all synergistic. I'll eat a pork chop to save the earth, thank you.
    A very solid argument. I don't mean to say that people should kill their own meat by any means. I think it is just a separation from the process that changes the perspective. There are plenty of farmers who have no problem eating pigs that they bled out their selves, but I know others who find the whole process gruesome.



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    Oh thank god I'm not the only one who thought that.

    Why aren't we also having this discussion about chicken? Poor living conditions, inhumane slaughter, corn/soy diet, high PUFA content. I'm just curious as it seems they would go together in this type of argument, neglecting the "pigs are cute" part (which, going back to the OP, that is kind of what this is about...) Anyway, I'm more concerned with the health aspects.
    I believe in an evolutionary hierarchy of living things. I think most people do in some form or fashion (except some of the PETA crazies). Of living animals, insects and clams/oysters make up the bottom rung of my ladder. I have never once felt guilt for killing a spider or a beautiful butterfly. Fish take up the next rung, followed by reptiles and birds. A bird feels pain, and has a very basic short-term memory. Beyond that, a chicken doesn't do much. There is no play or higher order of desires.

    Mammals are near the top. They have longings and desires beyond survival. Even the lowest of mammals has a fairly advanced memory, and play is a large part of the development process.

    Humans are obviously the top of this pyramid, but I believe there is a sub-step before humans I guess. These animals have fairly advanced cognitive abilities and memories. Primates, dolphins, elephants, and pigs are the most advanced, with mammals that have been domesticated for thousands of generations (cats and dogs) receiving honorable status.

    There are some interesting things about pigs that most people would be surprised to know. There really isn't another animal that can make as great of a pet one generation in to domestication-- even a wolf can be extremely difficult to train. Additionally, pigs are one of the few animals, along with primates and dolphins, that experience sexual pleasures and desires beyond reproductive purposes (farm jokes aside...)

    My purpose with this thread was not to make people feel guilty, but to just look at the topic from a different light. It's sort of the "omnivore's dilemma", where mercy and primal desires come to heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickson View Post
    I think it is just a separation from the process that changes the perspective.
    Agree completely. There are children today who don't realize that vegetables are grown in dirt. Baby carrots just come in plastic bags, e.g.

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    I have to agree on all sides, because having my own opinion of whether bacon is right or wrong to eat is not worth my time. I was eating three pounds a week, noticed that was quite a bit of salt - even though I know I just pee it all out - it's a lot of salt, and now have only one or two pounds a week. Trader Joe's ends and pieces. If I were a millionaire, I would definitely hunt wild boar or buy pastured bacon. But I'm not. So I can't.


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    you could grow your own bacon on your big back yard
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    I mean there's so many ants in my eyes! And there are so many TVs, microwaves, radios... I think, I can't, I'm not 100% sure what we have here in stock.. I don't know because I can't see anything! Our prices, I hope, aren't too low!

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    I mean there's so many ants in my eyes! And there are so many TVs, microwaves, radios... I think, I can't, I'm not 100% sure what we have here in stock.. I don't know because I can't see anything! Our prices, I hope, aren't too low!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhikes View Post
    I would really like to know how we "react to cannibalism". Outside of it being taboo and giving a person the heebee jeebees, what physiological damage does eating humans actually do? And who did the research? Cultures that practiced cannibalism did so ritualistically. Nobody ever eats people as a dietary staple. I can't imagine that it would do any long term damage other than the kind of damage it might do to eat killer whale or some other top-predator species.
    Tribes that practice cannibalism developed quite a lot of Kuru from what I have read.
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    A while back someone posted this Western A. Price Foundation study about how uncured pork causes blood coagulation. How Does Pork Prepared in Various Ways Affect the Blood - Weston A Price Foundation I'm unfamiliar with Western A. Price and don't know if the study is accurate. The study was based on only a couple of subjects. I would love to try to reproduce it by experimenting on myself--if anyone has a phase-contrast or dark-field microscope that I can use. I did a lot of microscopy at one point in my life so should be a piece of cake. I just don't have access to the right equipment right now.

    Edit: If I was going to start thinking about ethics, I think I'd stop eating all meat, except poultry (maybe--I agree with the OP that birds are pretty dumb). I'd still eat seafood because most seafood is pretty dumb too, and I'm not in the habit of eating sea mammals. I'm part of this buying club, and the farm I buy from sends us emails from time to time, letting us know when the first lamb of the season was born or the first chicks were hatched. A couple days ago, they sent a picture of one of their newborn calves. I was like, oh God, don't send me these pictures. I don't want to see how cute my dinner was when it was still alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jammies View Post
    Tribes that practice cannibalism developed quite a lot of Kuru from what I have read.
    Kuru, a prion-caused illness, is not caused by cannibalism itself, but rather by preparing, handling, and consuming the brain of infected individuals. If no one had had kuru in that tribe, no one could have contracted it.

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