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    Once screwed they can't necessarily go back to their "healthy" carb ways.
    Actually, they can. There's been countless of people losing weight and coming off diabetes medication following high carb or traditional diets.
    To Preserve Their Health and Heritage, Arizona Indians Reclaim Ancient Foods - New York Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    So if a person no longer has a healthy metabolism calories don't matter? It's always calories in/calories out regardless of your "metabolism." People that struggle losing weight simply can't undereat their hunger. That doesn't mean CICO no longer exists. It means you better fix your thyroid, adrenals, nutrient deficiencies or fix whatever other problem you have so you can manage a deficit for weight loss.

    The "broken metabolism" excuse is just that - an excuse. Metabolisms don't "break." If your metabolism is broken, you're dead.
    You keep repeating this over and over, so what relevance does it have when every individuals calculation is different?

    Yes, technically CICO does work if you can identify all the variables, but cannot be applied in the real world because we don't know all the variables and along with that the variables keep changing within an individual as the body adjusts itself to the environment it is subjected to.

    It can only ever be used as a rough guideline to give someone a visual understanding of their caloric consumption, but can in no way be used as the fallback rule in all weightloss scenarios.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
    Actually, they can. There's been countless of people losing weight and coming off diabetes medication following high carb or traditional diets.
    To Preserve Their Health and Heritage, Arizona Indians Reclaim Ancient Foods - New York Times
    Right, some people stopped eating sugar/processed food and started eating better sources of carbohydrates and had some results (although I don't actually see the results discussed). That's what we are talking about, that's great. And the article specifically goes into insulin and the "speed" of the carb, which has increased in modern times (which is outside of CICO).

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    Drinking my coffee, expanding some thoughts on how "calories in / calories out" is more accurately though of as propaganda than science...

    Question: Let's ask the question, who does the propaganda benefit? And thus who would be most interested in spreading it? We are practicing "follow the money trail" which is always a useful analytical technique when studying the United States.

    Answer: It benefits the fitness industry, increased profits. It benefits the sugar/agriculture industry, defense to existing massive profits. It benefits the low-calorie food market, creates a new sub-category of products. It benefits the drug companies, the doctors, etc. It doesn't particularly benefit humanity, but we aren't supposed to notice that part because we are only looking at profit, destruction of human healthy is an "externality".

    On the other hand how does the alternative hypothesis increase profit? Well if sugar/white flour raises insulin which drives fat, it hurts the sugar/agriculture industry, duh. It hurts the fitness industry, because all that frantic jumping around is pointless. And it hurts the low-calorie food market, since calories isn't specifically the problem.

    Thus CICO drives action, "go buy stuff". But the alternative hypothesis drives inaction, it is the absence of purchasing sugar and the absence of exercise, while perhaps solving the obesity epidemic. If the alt-hypothesis is true, it is the enemy of industry, thus the conflict of interests; human health vs industry profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omni View Post
    Yes, technically CICO does work if you can identify all the variables, but cannot be applied in the real world because we don't know all the variables and along with that the variables keep changing within an individual as the body adjusts itself to the environment it is subjected to.
    CICO can always be applied to the real world. People fail because they don't track their food intake properly and they use some general TDEE equation that is meant for the "average" person. People quite often miscalculate their activity level as well. Taking a 2-3 mile walk a couple times a week does not make you moderately active - it makes you lightly active. Deadlifting, squatting and benchpressing 3-4 times a week along with some moderate cardio makes you moderately active. That is far above what the typical person on this site is doing.

    You find out your TDEE by experimentation. Eat 1,700 calories every day for a week. If you don't lose weight, drop it to 1,600 calories. If you don't lose weight, drop it to 1,500 calories. It may take a few months before you dial it in. Most people that claim CICO "doesn't work" don't put forth the time and effort to track their food intake properly or track their TDEE properly. Don't use some general equation from a website, assume your activity level, loosely track your portions and complain when it "doesn't work." People fail the system, the system never fails because CICO is absolute.
    Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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    We're about to get nuked and you guys are still talking about calories in and calories out
    Time is passing so quickly. Right now, I feel like complaining to Einstein. Whether time is slow or fast depends on perception. Relativity theory is so romantic. And so sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derpamix View Post
    We're about to get nuked and you guys are still talking about calories in and calories out
    Srsly guys, srsly.

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    Derp and Zach - seriously we are only up to page 39................ couldn't we just drag this out for another 30 ?????????
    "never let the truth get in the way of a good story "

    ...small steps....

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZ primal Gwamma View Post
    Derp and Zach - seriously we are only up to page 39................ couldn't we just drag this out for another 30 ?????????
    I think these posts have been repeated for the last 35, it's like automated by now.
    Time is passing so quickly. Right now, I feel like complaining to Einstein. Whether time is slow or fast depends on perception. Relativity theory is so romantic. And so sad.

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