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    Quote Originally Posted by Zach View Post
    I do believe the more muscle you carry, the leaner you will tend to be. This of course depends on the type of muscle you put on. Lifting weights for hypertrophy will not accomplish this because your body does not care about leverages when moving a lighter weight for more reps, you could be 100 or 300lbs and the results would be the same. If however you work the density of your muscles via bodyweight and very heavy lifting, your body will strive to lower its bodyfat to become more efficient at moving itself.

    The problem for someone like you is figuring out a way to add muscle without exhausting yourself.
    I used to think more muscle made for a leaner body until I heard that muscle really doesn't burn all that much more than fat does, but thinking about it this new way gives it new importance for fat loss. Strength of course has its own advantages aside from fat loss. I don't enjoy feeling weak!

    I usually do BBS type workouts. They don't wear me out unless I'm in a particularly low energy period. The light weights, high reps really do wear me out completely though. I have really increased my strength in the past this way but have found that I seem to lose all the gains instantly if I take a break. I now think this has to do with previously just not eating enough calories. I made sure to get the protein in but I was very low cal. Last summer I took a break from lifting because my gardening work was enough that I couldn't get in the recovery time I needed. Anyway, even though I was working hard in the garden I had practically lost all my strength gains by fall. I then started lifting again and only stopped when starting this eat more experiment because I was so tired. Yesterday I thought I'd see where I was at and did some push-ups. I could only do 2 real push-ups and 8 girl push-ups!! Yikes. I've really lost it! I'm hoping that now with the calories to back me up I can actually put on some muscle and keep in on. I'm lucky that the BBS workouts don't seem to damage my energy, sprints are completely out of the question! I'll have a lot less heavy gardening work this year, mostly just weeding now, and so I'll try to keep up the lifting through the summer time.

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    Today is my weigh in day again. I'm the same weight and waist size as last week. I'm a bit surprised by that. I have done a ton of physical activity this week and have eaten just enough to feel satisfied. In general I feel like I should have had a calorie deficit this week and dropped some. I know I shouldn't be thinking that way again but I'm physically uncomfortable at this size. My stomach gets in my way and clothing is uncomfortable unless I stay in my pj's. I ate around 1700-2000 calories most days and burned a ton of calories in the garden. Why am I exactly the same?

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    Hey PM, I totally know what you mean, and feel your pain. My advice is to forget weight loss: it's going to happen, it's inevitable. There may be nothing for a while on the scales, or by the measuring tape, but our bodies may be doing funny things inside to prepare to start releasing it's fat stores. One example: you could be retaining water and putting on muscle, which would mean no apparent physical changes.

    If it's any consolation, since I stopped "eating a ton" my weight hasn't changed, and my measurements have been going up and down. But - something is happening to my body, because I am making huge gains in strength and flexibility. I have the feeling that there's a whoosh ahead for both of us Be patient. What's that thing they say in Astanga?
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Quote Originally Posted by YogaBare View Post
    Hey PM, I totally know what you mean, and feel your pain. My advice is to forget weight loss: it's going to happen, it's inevitable. There may be nothing for a while on the scales, or by the measuring tape, but our bodies may be doing funny things inside to prepare to start releasing it's fat stores. One example: you could be retaining water and putting on muscle, which would mean no apparent physical changes.

    If it's any consolation, since I stopped "eating a ton" my weight hasn't changed, and my measurements have been going up and down. But - something is happening to my body, because I am making huge gains in strength and flexibility. I have the feeling that there's a whoosh ahead for both of us Be patient. What's that thing they say in Astanga?
    I would like to think I'm secretly building muscle and just hiding it with a bunch of water retention. That is very optimistic of you! I don't show any signs of building muscle at the moment, but I'll think good thoughts

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoMom View Post
    I would like to think I'm secretly building muscle and just hiding it with a bunch of water retention. That is very optimistic of you! I don't show any signs of building muscle at the moment, but I'll think good thoughts
    Keep thinking good thoughts!

    I actually don't think I'm being optimistic Logically: people always talk about gradual weight loss, plateaus and whooshs when they are losing weight the right way. I've only ever starved myself, so I have no idea what real weight loss is. But I'm sure all these people can't be wrong. Don't start thinking youre "broken"!

    Also, one thing I'm trying that you might be interested in: I'm putting a lot of emphasis on keeping my belly and lower back warm. My current theory is that excess fat accumulates on the areas that need insulation, and people carry belly fat cos' the stomach needs to be warm to work. Whenever I'm at home now my belly is wrapped in blankets. I'm hoping this will encourage my body to lose the weight from there. I can dream, can't I?!
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    I've been pretty silent, so if anyone is still following I thought I'd update.

    I have an appt. with a new paleo ND tomorrow. I'm hoping to check some hormones and other basics a bit, however I'm somewhat opposed to a lot of the therapies given for those, so at this point I'm just gathering info to know where I'm at. I'm pretty certain my cortisol is low again and probably progesterone, dhea too.

    I'm feeling relatively good. Getting lots of gardening in each day, about 4-8 hours. I should be burning about 2,300 calories in daily activity and I've been eating around 1,800. Some days less and some days more. I should be losing, right? I'm not. This is getting depressing. I'm scare to restrict more and dropping metabolism but I'm getting around a 500 calorie deficit and not losing. I had thought after all this that if I did eat in a deficit the weight would at least come back off easily. I'm thinking this goes back to my hormones being off, especially since my middle is the real problem. I can actually feel my stomach bouncing up and down when I walk briskly, just like my breasts. Not cool.

    I'm going to bed early every day and sleeping a solid 8 hours. I'm not quite wanting to wake up when I do though but can't go back to sleep. After a few hours though, I feel awake with pretty good energy. I take the liver every day, I think that is important for me too. I've been careful to stop my daily activity before I feel like I'm going to crash, which is really helping me be able to get back at it everyday. I feel noticeably better on sunny days when I'm getting lots of vitamin D. I'm not sure if the activity I do on those days is keeping me feeling like doing more or if it is the sun. When a cloudy or rainy day comes I rest and feel like I wouldn't want to do anything anyway. It seems like more than a coincidence though, and I think the sun is involved. I've had my D checked and was good and continue to supp. but perhaps I need a new test.

    I've been breaking out this week all over my face and shoulders. I think it might be due to the sweat and dirt from gardening combined with needing to wash my face more because of that which has increase my oil production to compensate for all the drying out I'm doing. I'm sure it'll balance back out, but I'm not feeling good about leaving the house right now!

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    I think it's great you're going to get your bloods done. What hormones are you going to check? (Which ones did you check before?) Regarding the lack of weight loss, how many weeks has it been now since you've curbed your eating? I know it's a big thing on this site that people make threads about how they're not losing, but I wonder if any of them have had bloodwork down that gives answers... might be worth searching!

    Also, maybe you feel better when it's sunny cos' it's also warmer?
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Hmmm, yes, I do wonder if it might be because it is warmer. I don't care for it getting super hot either, but it sure does feel nice in the 70's or in the shade in the 80's. Warm to the core

    I'll talk with the Dr. about what tests to run. This is all out of pocket, so I'll be somewhat selective. I've had just about every test there is in the past, multiple times on the hormones. The only thing that has ever shown up is on the salivary cortisol, progesterone, DHEA tests and once my TSH was a high on my saliva test. My cortisol was down to a 1 in the morning and I think it only went up to a 3 in the evening - I could be wrong about the evening number though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoMom View Post
    I'll talk with the Dr. about what tests to run. This is all out of pocket, so I'll be somewhat selective. I've had just about every test there is in the past, multiple times on the hormones. The only thing that has ever shown up is on the salivary cortisol, progesterone, DHEA tests and once my TSH was a high on my saliva test. My cortisol was down to a 1 in the morning and I think it only went up to a 3 in the evening - I could be wrong about the evening number though.
    Have you ever gone to an endo? Honestly, once I went I couldn't believe how simple it was for her to make a diagnosis: doctors don't have a clue about this kind of thing. Maybe you could make an appointment and they could recommend what hormones you should get checked based on your symptoms?

    From what I know as well, blood tests are more reliable for cortisol.
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Quote Originally Posted by YogaBare View Post
    Have you ever gone to an endo? Honestly, once I went I couldn't believe how simple it was for her to make a diagnosis: doctors don't have a clue about this kind of thing. Maybe you could make an appointment and they could recommend what hormones you should get checked based on your symptoms?

    From what I know as well, blood tests are more reliable for cortisol.
    I have been to many endo's over the years. They test the same things, say there is nothing wrong with me, suggest I need to exercise more even though my first complaint is that when I exercise it wipes me out for days. One of them, many years ago, told me my blood work was fine so perhaps it was all in my head. He said "You just have a screw loose." Can you believe that shit? They all used blood tests for cortisol. Then I finally started going to alternative doctors who did different types of tests the others didn't even know about, that is when all sorts of things started showing up. The trouble continued though because even those that could diagnose adrenal fatigue and recongnized it as real, only knew how to safely treat someone with a mild case. Advanced cases are often very damaged by the treatments that are very helpful to those in the early stages. So, this all made me worse and about $50,000 later I'm on my own to fix myself. I thought I'd done it too after about 15 years of suffering until we started eating more. That is when it all came back. I think now that I was just in the first phase of recovery, where symptoms are mostly gone and energy is back but inside things still need a lot of healing. Any major stress can send the person right back. When I thought I was helping myself by cutting back on liquids, I began to totally lose my thirst and didn't think about drinking at all, and became massively dehydrated. The tough thing was that I didn't seem dehydrated except for how the fatigue got so much better when I started forcing myself to drink a ton. Anyway, I think that was the stress that sent me back. I'm really not expecting much from any doctor at this point. I've traveled the country to see specialists and famous doctors who specialize in these problems and they still didn't help. All I want is to get the tests done so I can figure out myself what do with the info. I want to compare where I used to be to where I'm at now to see what has improved or changed to guide my recovery.

    I'm very happy that an endo was helpful for you. I know they are great for many people, but if you don't show up on their tests they don't know how to go any further. I personally put them in the same category as general practitioners, as they have been equally helpful for me. I would also take any meds they give you and research them heavily yourself before actually injesting them. Look for dependance, long term effects, people who can or can't wean off of them and does taking them weaken your bodies ability to produce that hormone itself. I would never treat one hormone without looking at them all. Estrogen dominance can be high estrogen with normal progesterone or normal estrogen with low progesterone, cortisol can effect estrogen dominance and vice versa, poor adrenals can lead to low thyroid and poor thyroid function stresses the adrenals. It is all a big circle and I don't think complete healing will ever take place without thought given to all of these things.

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