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    Science doesn't explain shit, and if you think that science isn't equally if not more convoluted as religion to manipulate the agenda of a few people you're not being logical at all. I have a problem with zealots, and this is where all atheists fall in, except even more absurd because they're a walking, breathing contradiction(actively preaching and believing in nothing uh what?)

    The only logical thing you can do is to keep an open mind to all things and find the answers yourself. Unfortunately, in this lifetime, this isn't possible, if it ever will be.

    The bible itself is actually a very fascinating story, and many good morals can be taken from it if you're not looking at it through the eyes of someone brainwashed.
    Time is passing so quickly. Right now, I feel like complaining to Einstein. Whether time is slow or fast depends on perception. Relativity theory is so romantic. And so sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneAgeQueen View Post
    Can you be a Christian and follow the paleolithic diet? Doesn't one disprove the other?
    I think it is important to understand that the word "Christian" means different things to different people. In the broadest sense of the word it means anyone who accepts that Jesus Christ is divine. This is the commonly accepted definition. There are thousands of such Christian sects in the world today.

    But many religious conservatives, such as fundamentalists, evangelicals, dominionists, and others, believe that most who consider themselves "Christian" are not. This excludes all mainstream Christian sects, including Catholicism. It is a very narrow definition they hold to be true.

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    IMO, grain was probably better for you back in those days than it is today. Even 200 years ago, you went out to the field, sowed your own grain, watered it, harvested it, ground it into flour, and then made awesome stuffs with it. These days they plant GMO seeds, spray chemicals all over it, harvest it, grind it into dust, and turn it into bread-like substances. Go back 2000 years, and Jesus had the really good stuff. We don't.
    Also unleavened bread (what he probably ate and related himself to) was made differently than what we think of as bread today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derpamix View Post
    Science doesn't explain shit,
    Magic does a better job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Derpamix View Post
    and if you think that science isn't equally if not more convoluted as religion to manipulate the agenda of a few people you're not being logical at all.
    This sounds more like a (valid) criticism of the politics behind science rather than science itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Derpamix View Post
    I have a problem with zealots, and this is where all atheists fall in, except even more absurd because they're a walking, breathing contradiction(actively preaching and believing in nothing uh what?)
    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Dawkins
    We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.
    If someone truly believed in the Greek Gods of Mount Olympia interacting with them on a daily basis, you'd consider them insane. If they suggested we consider the feelings of Dionysus or Apollo in making life decisions, you'd probably say something about how ridiculous they were being. Do you see the analogy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Derpamix View Post
    The only logical thing you can do is to keep an open mind to all things and find the answers yourself. Unfortunately, in this lifetime, this isn't possible, if it ever will be.
    Especially if you don't accept answers based on observation but keep an open mind that the devil is manipulating the evidence to trick us. I know Satan planted all those fossils to make us disbelieve that the earth was created in 4004 B.C....

    Quote Originally Posted by Derpamix View Post
    The bible itself is actually a very fascinating story, and many good morals can be taken from it if you're not looking at it through the eyes of someone brainwashed.
    Which morals are those? Breaking down the other's altars and smashing their sacred stones? Or the "moral" hatred of homosexuals? Unless you meant watering the fields with the blood of our brothers?

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    The theory of how it all came to be has many holes already poked through it, the only thing that is valid is what is needed to sustain and create life. I'm not religious whatsoever, but my point was because I am personally unable to solve the dilemma of our creation through either means, I can't possibly discredit either. I agree that my original post was more inclined towards the politics behind science, and what they're truly trying to teach everyone, rather than actual science.

    However, begin to question everything you've been taught, and then ask yourself, what do you really know?

    For everything else you said:



    Secular humanism is enough without needing to prescribe to all the other ridiculous nonsense contained in the bible.
    Time is passing so quickly. Right now, I feel like complaining to Einstein. Whether time is slow or fast depends on perception. Relativity theory is so romantic. And so sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    If someone truly believed in the Greek Gods of Mount Olympia interacting with them on a daily basis, you'd consider them insane. If they suggested we consider the feelings of Dionysus or Apollo in making life decisions, you'd probably say something about how ridiculous they were being.
    Actually, Hinduism is the Eastern equivalent of Greek mythology. It actually pre-dates Greek mythology. A Hindu worshipping Brahmā would be like a Westerner worshipping Zeus. And yeah, practicing Hindus do truly believe that all 72,000 Hindu Gods interact with them on a regular basis.

    Do we then conclude that all Hindus are insane?

    Anyway, I think you're taking Derp a bit literally. Obviously Science explains a lot, but it doesn't explain everything, yet most of the time it's "findings" are presented with total certainty, and then a few years later it changes.

    Additionally a lot of the findings are unreliable. Even the most authentic, well-meaning people want their ideas to be proven right, and well... people can have selective memories about what they did to get certain results.

    Science is as objective as the people who conduct the experiments.
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    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

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    (Going by his avatar I'm presuming he has a sense of humour).
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bork Bork View Post
    IMO, grain was probably better for you back in those days than it is today. Even 200 years ago, you went out to the field, sowed your own grain, watered it, harvested it, ground it into flour, and then made awesome stuffs with it. These days they plant GMO seeds, spray chemicals all over it, harvest it, grind it into dust, and turn it into bread-like substances. Go back 2000 years, and Jesus had the really good stuff. We don't.
    Also unleavened bread (what he probably ate and related himself to) was made differently than what we think of as bread today.
    Ancient Greek physicians were aware of celiac and wrote about the symptoms. They just didn't know what caused it. Since it was not treatable, people died from it. Evolution in action, susceptible people being removed from the gene pool by virtue of dying young or being made infertile by the effects of their condition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eKatherine View Post
    Today is a religious holiday in one of many thousands of religions that have ever existed. Those who belong to some of that particular group of sects celebrate it. Those who do not have the right to their own preferences. People who sign up for this site in order to push religion on those who don't believe don't have much credibility. I am neither "thankful" nor "grateful" that you have decided to come here to push religion on a site that is not about religion.
    So just to be clear, it's okay for you to mock God and when I respond by defending my faith, I'm pushing religion. Seems a bit hypocritical.
    And why do you surmise that I came on this site "to push religion"? I did not.The reason I came to this site is because I eat Primal/Paleo. I also happen to be a person of faith. I don't find that to be a contradiction.
    I have lurked on the site for some time and have learned a lot. Up until now I have not felt the need to post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derpamix View Post
    The theory of how it all came to be has many holes already poked through it, the only thing that is valid is what is needed to sustain and create life. I'm not religious whatsoever, but my point was because I am personally unable to solve the dilemma of our creation through either means, I can't possibly discredit either. I agree that my original post was more inclined towards the politics behind science, and what they're truly trying to teach everyone, rather than actual science.
    But the actual science is about discovering how things came to be through observation and experiment. The holes are poked by science or they're not actual holes. Not because we found some book of stories clearly written by different people in different eras and they say they're the word of an omnipotent god, so we obey.

    Quote Originally Posted by Derpamix View Post
    However, begin to question everything you've been taught, and then ask yourself, what do you really know?
    Is that some kind of brilliant existentialist philosophy you're laying down? Otherwise, I fail to get what you're trying to put across.

    Quote Originally Posted by Derpamix View Post
    For everything else you said:

    Someone who believes the world was created by an angry, omnipotent, omniscient invisible friend who gives a crap about what 2 consenting adults do in their own bedroom doesn't need to be exaggerated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Derpamix View Post
    Secular humanism is enough without needing to prescribe to all the other ridiculous nonsense contained in the bible.
    Are you arguing with me or agreeing with me? This is one of your worst troll jobs ever.

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