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    From my own experience, I would never, NEVER trust a doctor that recommended statins. Never. And Zetia destroyed my muscles with amazing speed.
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    @ Janie

    I have a simple rule: if a patient is over 90, they do not get any new medications, and I will require specific proof to keep them on current meds. Anyone that would Rx any new drug to someone that was alive for World War I should lose their license.

    As for statins, I have not seen specific proof that they are ever helpful for actual life expectancy....my analogy to patients is that taking a statin to lower an LDL number is like taping the wings back onto a 747 airliner to convince people to buy a ticket to get on it....sure, you made it LOOK like you did something, but the damn thing still ain't flying. It is taking a pretty pocketknife to a problem (metabolic syndrome, or NOTHING BUT GENES in many other cases) that requires a machete.

    Cholesterol high + metabolic syndrome markers => drugs of any kind will do nothing to prolong life. Only effective treatment is overhaul of all of the patient's diet regimen. Everything else is wishful thinking.

    Cholesterol high + NO markers, hereditary or diet justifying => Relax. Do nothing. Pass the bacon.

    Not rocket surgery folks

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheyCallMeLazarus View Post
    I am of the opinion, and I have seen a lot of research that backs this up, that all of the studies done on LP's and heart disease were not measuring LP's alone; they were measuring metabolic syndrome.
    Well... I am hesitant to defend mainstream medicine, but I'm not sure it's that simple.

    All the numbers are correlated, of course. Still, teasing them apart is not an insurmountable problem (though I wish dearly the studies supplied their *data* to the public so we can run our own statistics on it). There was a recent study -- its name doesn't pop into my head at the moment, but it was mostly dealing with LDL-P (maybe Framingham Offspring?) -- that published a nice table of CVD outcomes per quartiles of trigs and LDL-P. I'll try to find it and post it, but I seem to remember that even in the low-trig group (trigs < 100) there was dependency between frequency of CVD and LDL-P. And trigs are a pretty good marker for the metabolic syndrome.

    There is certainly the classic case of high-everything-except-for-HDL which has the sky-high risk of CVD. But in the primal and the low-carb worlds a frequent type is high LDL (both LDL-P and LDL-C), low trigs, high HDL, good glucose. From the population point of view this is atypical and it seems we just don't know what happens to these people CVD-wise.

    I would be happy if metabolic syndrome is really what it's all about and LDL-P/ApoB/etc. is just a red herring, but I don't think at the moment we have the evidence to say this.

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