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    Detoxification - does it exist?

    At times around here when people have mentioned detoxification there's been some voices claiming that "detox doesn't exist".

    What are the theories for and against?
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

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    When I hear "detox" I think of raw vegans who consider every symptom of malnutrition, no matter how many years have passed since full purification of their diet, to be signs of further "detox". It may exist in the short term, but I think the concept is very overused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YogaBare View Post
    At times around here when people have mentioned detoxification there's been some voices claiming that "detox doesn't exist".

    What are the theories for and against?
    I swear, if I hear detox or cleanse in the same sentence again, I'm going to explode. Just a way to sell product I think!

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    Your liver does the job of detoxification. Not some BS drink or pill. Eat clean, healthy foods, and your body will do the job on its own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skorpion317 View Post
    Your liver does the job of detoxification. Not some BS drink or pill. Eat clean, healthy foods, and your body will do the job on its own.
    Your liver and the rest of your body is loaded with a lot more toxins nowadays. Even if you eat clean and cut out cosmetics now, your liver is still loaded with toxins from way back before you changed your lifestyle.
    A liver loaded with toxins has impaired function and basically does not do a good job at detoxing anymore. This can cause other parts of the body to go out of whack too (often hormones) and then it results in more imbalances.
    At some point your body will just not be functioning as it should.
    Even as you continue to eat and live well. Living in the year 2013, you bet you will be running into toxins at least from air. But possibly also from things like. Ooking utensils, pots and pans, even cooking itself creates some toxins the body needs to be able to handle.
    I did an herbal detox (supplements) when I felt diet was not getting me anywhere and certainly did get benefits from it. I have collected all test results before and after the detox.
    Some want to tell us that herbs are a new thing, but nature medicine has been around for ages and in the middleages to early 1900 we had some great naturopathic knowledge that we lost and replace with chemical drugs nowadays.
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    You can detox an old home by getting lead paint removed. And substance abusers detox when they get sober for whatever period of time it takes to clear the body of the substance.

    I guess even carb flu can feel like detoxing. But I don't know if we can detox from every day toxins. How can you stop breathing in pollution? If a person isn't eating totally organic and pastured, how can they ever be pollutant free? And if the govt keeps adding to the list of what's considered 'organic,' how can we be sure that even that is helping us? Also, I believe that there are some toxins (metals maybe?) that never leave the body.

    So, I don't think drinking juice or lemon and cayenne pepper or even just water for 10 days will make much difference in one's health overall.

    Autophagy is different, and fasting does help with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoanieL View Post
    You can detox an old home by getting lead paint removed. And substance abusers detox when they get sober for whatever period of time it takes to clear the body of the substance.

    I guess even carb flu can feel like detoxing. But I don't know if we can detox from every day toxins. How can you stop breathing in pollution? If a person isn't eating totally organic and pastured, how can they ever be pollutant free? And if the govt keeps adding to the list of what's considered 'organic,' how can we be sure that even that is helping us? Also, I believe that there are some toxins (metals maybe?) that never leave the body.

    So, I don't think drinking juice or lemon and cayenne pepper or even just water for 10 days will make much difference in one's health overall.

    Autophagy is different, and fasting does help with that.
    Over a period of time we can of course lose many of the contaminants our body has picked up, provided we have stopped exposure. But I think the idea that for each of these there is an equivalent to "carb flu", or that drinking a concoction of chemicals (formerly known as a "purge", now called a "cleanse") is a good way to undertake this process is pseudoscience.

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    What about symptoms of detox?

    Quote Originally Posted by JoanieL View Post

    Autophagy is different, and fasting does help with that.
    How is it different?
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Quote Originally Posted by YogaBare View Post
    What about symptoms of detox?



    How is it different?
    Unless I'm mistaken, in these "detox" programs, your body doesn't really do anything different. During autophagy, your cells actively alter some portion of their function. That is to say, autophagy has actual action, while "detox" does nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MEversbergII View Post
    Unless I'm mistaken, in these "detox" programs, your body doesn't really do anything different. During autophagy, your cells actively alter some portion of their function. That is to say, autophagy has actual action, while "detox" does nothing.

    M.
    Thanks for the clarification!
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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