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    Why? Psychologically

    So, I'm reading "Travels" by Michael Crichton. He started out to be an M.D. and found out he hated it. He strongly objected to treating people as a bag of bio-chemical reactions and then treating the enzymes. During his rotation in psychology he began asking patients "Why are you here?" (This started in a ward of heat attack patients, typically men in their 40's and early 50's.) And he got answers that really interested him.

    They didn't say "because I had a heart attach, you dummy", or "because I had artheroscherosis". Instead they answered "because my wife wanted a divorce" or "because I can't find a job". He believed doctors should treat the patient as a human being, a whole, entire human being.

    So "Why am I here?". (Because I was so sick I thought I was dying.) But in response to the psychological question of a humans life, you get a different answer.

    I'd been studying economics for 5 years and had become depressed about our country. I now thoroughly understood in great detail that 'we the people' were being royally screwed, and had been for the last 100 years. Today it was only getting worse. Before this study I had always completely trusted our democratically elected gov't and believed they had our best interests at heart. What a fool I was. Then, for 1.5 years, I just got sicker and sicker. My last doctor's appointment was an eye opener. He went over all my number and nothing was bad enough, except my cholestrol (take Statins) that he could do anything about it. (No operations indicated.) I said, "do you mean that I should take responsibility for my self?" He smiled and said, "yes". And he looked relieved and happy.

    I was stupified. I had absolutely no training in human sciences of any kind. How could I do anything. Hunting all over the internet I found PB and solved all my the problems.

    So, why am I here. Because I needed to get out of a depressive funk, take responsibility, and get on with my life. Even if my country was against me, I could stand on my own, and find that there are really good people (on this forum) who will help and support me in doing it.

    Why are you here?
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    Can we be friends?

    The things you are saying are speaking right to my soul. Especially the screwed up country bit. I completely understand what you're talking about here.
    The process is simple: Free your mind, and your ass will follow.

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    In the same sense (a much longer view), why are you here? What issues or problems does PB solve for you?

    I sent you a friend request.

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    How old are you?

    I decided at a young age to strip the wool from my eyes. One my latest reads (Wealth of Nations) has a major clue to our country's chief difficulty: money. War costs a lot of money. You have to pay for equipment, food, transportation, support services, and their own salary on top of that! It's a burden on any government. And if you don't win land out of the war, it's always a losing game economically. The costs of sustaining this army will exceed what your nation ordinarily produce in profit, so you must either raise taxes or borrow money to make up the difference. Any time you raise taxes to match the rising cost of war, that war and the politicians who started it will almost ALWAYS get very unpopular among the populace. So, politicians borrow money as a sly tactic to keep peace at home and fight the war. The downside to this is that future generations then have to pay back these loans PLUS interest. Very rarely will a government EVER pay off these loans. A revolution or conquering is likely to happen first.

    So, our country is subjected to these consequences just like everyone else. The entire world has had major wars for the past century, so naturally everyone is in debt. We've just done it a bit more than others.

    There are other variables too, of course. Our ENTIRE government has grown way too large, not just our military sector.

    I think you just have to be optimistic about the world. Every time that a great empire has fallen, another has been built back up somewhere. I think, with faith in the power and ingenuity of the human mind, humans will still strive for freedoms in the future. It would be VERY sad if our country had to fall in the process though because I think we've done more for human development and human rights than just about anybody, and there have been so many sacrifices by so many people so that our train would keep on chuggin'. But that is the spirit no matter the title of your region: keep on chuggin'.

    There's two pieces you need to get chuggin': the mind and the soul. The mind is knowledge of the world, and a logical ability to reason through problems. These are found empirically and rationally. The soul is the fire that burns; it's a faith and intuition-based approach. You can find the mind through reading; it shouldn't take too long if you know what to look for. I could give you advice. The soul is found by returning to your past, recognizing your identity, and moving forward positively on a day to day basis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wiltondeportes View Post
    How old are you?
    Click my name, and then 'About me"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptocode View Post
    Click my name, and then 'About me"
    What'd you think about the rest of my post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiltondeportes View Post
    There's two pieces you need to get chuggin': the mind and the soul. The mind is knowledge of the world, and a logical ability to reason through problems. These are found empirically and rationally. The soul is the fire that burns; it's a faith and intuition-based approach. You can find the mind through reading; it shouldn't take too long if you know what to look for. I could give you advice. The soul is found by returning to your past, recognizing your identity, and moving forward positively on a day to day basis.
    1. Blamming all our economic problems on wars is really narrowing the problem unrealistically. Anyway, Jackson completely paid off all war debts incurred up incurred up through his administration. It can be done.

    2. Is the mind merely a product of the actions of the brain, or not. Does the mind initiate thought, or does the brain (chemically)? This is a discussion I've had a zillion times and don't want to include here.

    3. The soul - could be fire (energy) (Hewbrews, Zoroastrians, Persians, etc.) , the mind (Christians, Gnostics, Early Greeks) , the unconscious (Freud, Jung, etc.) To personally answer this question it is necessary to have some concept of God or the Cosmos (Early Astrology is an example in the Ancients).
    I am curently reading "Panchadasi, A Vedanta Classic" by Vidyaranya, and "The Sambandha Bartika of Sureb" by Sures Varacharya.

    These subjects do not address my question. Why are you (personally) here? As explained it is a psychological question, not a religious one or a bio-chemical one.

    I think you have a lot to learn. I think you are very intelligent and you're thinking. Keep it up. Perhaps you have a new person to meet - yourself. Getting to know yourself is a great adventure in itself, it also goes a long way to improving you relationships with other people, who, after all, are much like you.

    Economic Question: "What is money?".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptocode View Post
    1. Blamming all our economic problems on wars is really narrowing the problem unrealistically. Anyway, Jackson completely paid off all war debts incurred up incurred up through his administration. It can be done.

    2. Is the mind merely a product of the actions of the brain, or not. Does the mind initiate thought, or does the brain (chemically)? This is a discussion I've had a zillion times and don't want to include here.

    3. The soul - could be fire (energy) (Hewbrews, Zoroastrians, Persians, etc.) , the mind (Christians, Gnostics, Early Greeks) , the unconscious (Freud, Jung, etc.) To personally answer this question it is necessary to have some concept of God or the Cosmos (Early Astrology is an example in the Ancients).
    I am curently reading "Panchadasi, A Vedanta Classic" by Vidyaranya, and "The Sambandha Bartika of Sureb" by Sures Varacharya.

    These subjects do not address my question. Why are you (personally) here? As stated it is a psychological question, not a religious one.
    1. Andrew Jackson? The United States was still growing at that point. Like I said, gaining resources (of which, land is a type) is practically the only way to pay off a war, free-and-clear.

    2. The mind and the brain are one and the same, so I don't know what your objection is to what I said, and I don't know what your own point is either.

    3. I'm not speaking metaphysically when i say "soul" or "mind". These are both physical elements of what is contained in your cranium.

    Is it not a religious question? Or could it be that people in society are taught not to dare discuss religion with strangers because people get so steadfast and angry with their beliefs?

    What is religion? Religion comes from the latin root, "religare", which means "to connect or bind". Knowledge of everything in this world is unattainable for any one person, and most only get to know a small fraction. Religion is what connects these fragments of your world and gives you a full, satisfied outlook on life. It's naturally human to be religious, and the atheists and nihilists who ignore this are generally depressed. You must have a view! A goal! A stance! Without, what are you? That's religion.

    My god is human achievement. My priests are all who achieve. My commandments teach self-actualization, which is to fulfill your full potential.

    MarksDailyApple was a website that taught me about certain elements of health when I knew so much less. Health is an element of self-actualization.

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    Crypt....
    Why am I here. Well... I very much like many folks was a broken person. Diet after diet. Anxiety over food. Abusing food. PB solved all of that for me. It is slowly healing me. I cannot believe how different things are for me after only two months. I no longer stress about food. I'm losing the over 100 lbs that are hanging off my body and I feel amazing for it. In the last 3 years I have tried desperately to get it off. But they were always hollywood/crash diets that were unsustainable. I KNEW I had to change my eating habits. I KNEW I had to change my lifestyle, but I just couldn't.

    I found out I was allergic to gluten. I resisted it for months. Finally, this January it got so bad I knew I had to stop killing myself. When I made that decision, I just didn't know how to eat. What do I eat? I asked myself. I have to cook everything! Ok, that's not so bad. I love to cook. So I went to the Google. I couldn't come up with anything. Well, on another forum, homesteadingtoday, one of my friends has MDA on her signature. I got curious, and clicked it one day. I had no idea it would bring me to this.

    Two months in and everything has changed. My whole life is different. I no longer get sick. I can feel it in my joints. I don't feel anger or sadness or depression like I used to. My food obsession is starting to dissipate. I still have days when I obsess about buying a bunch of junk food and just binging myself into a stupor. It passes in a few hours. I no longer act on the urge.

    Now, it's gotten to the point that I pretty much do what I want. I don't worry about anything anymore. Yesterday I had a Guinness on tap. Didn't sweat it. Last year that wouldn't have caused me to think "Well, I already screwed up, lets eat a burger, fries, and dessert." Nope. Had a salad. I don't worry about eating half a chicken when it's so damn good and I don't feel the "full alarm" going off.

    So many things are better now, there is no way I can go back. I actually had the intuition last night that I actually am going to do this. I actually, for once, am going make this weight go away. I just knew it down to my very core. This is the first time I've ever had this feeling.

    Ok, ok, I'm rambling. But that's my answer.


    My father is very aware of our situation. Always has been. He's been talking to us about it for as long as I can remember. In the last two years I have come aware of it as well. There are a lot of issues, and I do not think it will get better before it gets worse. I won't say a lot... but there was an initial reason in which I started this farm, and it had nothing to do with the urge to be dirty and stinky all the time.
    The process is simple: Free your mind, and your ass will follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gladmorning View Post
    Ok, ok, I'm rambling. But that's my answer.

    My father is very aware of our situation. Always has been. He's been talking to us about it for as long as I can remember. In the last two years I have come aware of it as well. There are a lot of issues, and I do not think it will get better before it gets worse. I won't say a lot... but there was an initial reason in which I started this farm, and it had nothing to do with the urge to be dirty and stinky all the time.
    Good Morning, Gladmorning,
    You gave me the "I had a heart attack, you dummy" answer. You got fat and wanted to loose weight. We're all here to either change our weight or get healthy or both. That's the direct, conscious answer. But what is the psychological or unconscious answer. Why did you gain weight in the first place? What problems did that solve? Did it have to do with your father? (I'll bet there were a lot of issues. We all have or had them.)

    We're programmed to believe our conscious mind is choosing it's responses. But it's usually our unconscious (parasympathetic) that chooses and acts and our conscious mind just justifies those actions. "I do not think it will get better before it gets worse", is very likely true. You've just past the crises point. It will help to bring into consciousness the causes and resultant changes that are in the process of happening.

    God, I hope this doesn't sound condenscending. Does it? I don't mean it to be.

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