Thank you. I appreciate it. "Because I needed to get out of a depressive funk, take responsibility, and get on with my life. Even if my country was against me, I could stand on my own, and find that there are really good people (on this forum) who will help and support me in doing it."
Originally Posted by wiltondeportes
I think I've gone past that point.
Yes, exactly. I know what I experience. I know, if I'm paying attention, what I feel in response to those experiences. I know that I can reflect and/or contemplate on both. I know these surely and I can use them to guide me. (The Greek workd "gnosis" means 'to know, directly' in exactly that sense. But when we are young we don't know. Our minds are not completely developed and as soon as our brains are beginning to click they are flooded with a new batch of hormones and we become badly confused and at sea. During our youth we learn from what we are told consciously and from what we observe (usually subconsciously). Later we realize there is often a clash between the two. Horrible. Slowly those who are willing to think independently from group-think begin 'to know' themselves or/and to think their own ideas.
Originally Posted by vtphoenix
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Wonderful, Great. Congratulations.
Originally Posted by namelesswonder
You're overreacting. Gold and silver don't have intrinsic value either. It's always been trust that makes the monetary sytem work, even with gold coins because you can't eat gold.
Originally Posted by Cryptocode
All the paper money vs backed money difference is: the government now has the power to enlarge or shrink the money supply at will, which is impossible with metals like silver/gold because there is a set amount of it in the world.
Now think about something for a second. If there's a set amount in the world, and the population grows, what happens? Everyone gets poorer! It's a hard limit that could have broken our economy a long time ago. There would have been not have been enough money flow for the USA to keep up with the rest of the world in technology. Now that we appear to no longer be growing, and many don't want the world to grow too much anymore; metal-backed money might be a solid way of enforcing sustainability.
Another thought: There was a founding father that feared this singular power of money supply control could dominate a nation. Has our nation been totally controlled just by the Fed? Food for thought.
I don't think a barter system or favor system would allow the complex division of labor that we have today. Things would be far less entangled. As a result, people would be more self-sufficient, but society as a whole may not achieve as much technologically(aka progress in knowledge).
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Sometimes things really are as straight forward as they seem. I think "fat people" are too often told there's something emotionally or psychologically wrong with them. I used to wonder that about myself too. How did I "let" myself get to over 100lbs overweight? Was I an emotional eater? Did I have something seriously wrong with me? A binge eating disorder?? Should I be on meds or something? This past year has taught me that none of that is true.
Originally Posted by Cryptocode
It was really as simple as eating the right foods. Get rid of the crap and you get rid of the cravings. I still have stress, I still get emotional and uspet sometimes, but I don't overeat or binge because my body is satisfied with the real food it gets. Not to mention that crappy processed foods, sugar, and grain can cause the very moodiness that then causes you to eat too much in a big vicious cycle that is then blamed on some emotional defect the fat person surely must have.
Being fat or unhealthy doesn't always have to have it's roots in a psychological disorder. Sometimes it's physical. Eat the right foods that nourish your body and everything else automatically falls into place. It really can be just that simple.
Originally Posted by 0Angel0
Please see http://mises.org for further economic discussion.
Last edited by Cryptocode; 03-28-2013 at 04:45 PM.
Agreed. I think physicians no longer even want to understand their patients, and that includes G.P.s. They are trained to dispense drugs or refer their patients to specialists.
Originally Posted by peril
The Mind / Brain Discussion
Before traditional psychology the mind has always been the arena of religions. Traditional psychology is very recent; Freud began it in the late 1800's. Through a tangled number of translations or mistaken translations the words soul and mind had become synonomous hundreds of years B.C.. From the earliest Christianity the mind and soul were synonomous and were later believed to be the "Holy Ghost", the 'representation' of "God" in a person, their conscience. And this debate/discussion has been going on since science discovered the brain and some of its functions.
Originally Posted by Rojo
Today, the example that comes to mind is the treatment of Alchoholism. It is treated in clinics medically with lots of a large variety of drugs. Treatments typically lasts 4-6 weeks. The Shick Center test for a successful cure is that the patient is sober 6 months after treatment. In this path the brain is chemically altered.
The mind path is represented by AA. No drugs, not even asprin, are used. Treatment is via the mind and lasts 3-5 years. A successful cure is determined when the individual dies (hopefully of old age) sober. Thus it is very difficult to compare success. But in a number of such well-done studies AA is by far the more successful. No contest.
However the point I wish to make is that both treatments can work. Either the brain (as altered) can influence the mind, or the mind (as altered) can alter the chemistry of the brain.
I agree wholheartedly with Rojo. Our culture today has swung entirely to the "bag of chemicals" brain side and is badly out of balance. We also have dumped philosophy, psychology, religion, etc. as if they were of no value at all. This in spite of the obvious facts that wars over exactly these fields are costing us a lot of money and trouble.
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I never said that fat people have " something emotionally or psychologically wrong with them". I said that it's interesting, to me, to view my (our) lives through a psychological window or view. It's also interesting to Michael Chrichton and many, many others. This does NOT mean there's anything wrong with them. I do agree though that, perhaps because our culture has become so unbalanced, it is currently the fad to "assign psychological disorders", IMO when big-pharma thinks they have something to treat this new disorder with. IMO humans are quite 'gifted' enough to deal with their own lives, when they decide to take responsibility for themselves.
Originally Posted by 0Angel0
The fact that I'm here should be proof of that, if you've read the whole thread. (I took my digestive tract back from my doctors. It's mine now (my responsibility also)).
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