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    My Primal Cholesterol Results.. big change

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    Let me set some context. My dad had a stroke at 49 and high cholesterol runs in the family. So I put it upon myself to get it down, getting it tested regularly. I was eating lower fat, brown rice, oatmeal and supplementing with Plant Sterols. A few months ago, before going Primal, my results were:

    171 Total Cholesterol
    38 Triglycerides
    93 LDL (I have to go home to double check but itís close from memory)
    70 HDL (will double check later)

    Today I did a blood test with a finger prick at work from a wellness test. They were (after 3 months of going Primal). I've also gone down in body fat and increased my exercise since and supplementing w/ fish oil and no more plant sterols. Results were:

    282 Total Cholesterol
    88 Triglycerides
    185 LDL
    80 HDL


    The dietician they had for consultation told me to stop eating coconut milk/oil and switching to Canola oil. She also suggested little to no eggs in my diet. Didn't want to buy into that. This is the highest Total Cholesterol I've ever had to date.. highest before was 220 or so. Any thoughts?

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    Your numbers (before and after) are very similar to mine before and after going primal, except your HDL is a good bit higher than mine! *jealous*. I plan to get a VAP or NMR test to put my mind at ease. These tests actually measure LDL instead of just calculating and more importantly give teh size of the particles. Apparently, total cholesterol is not a good indicator of cardiac disease risk. LDL particle size is a better indicator. Since you have low triglycerides, you almost certainly have large LDL which is benign. Here's a quick link that I found:
    http://www.centerforpreventivemedici..._messenger.pdf

    As for the diet recommendations, I've heard nothing but good about coconut, so I consume it fairly often. I've heard bad stuff about canola. It's higher in PUFA and, in most cases, much more heavily processed than almost any other oil, so it can't be good for you.
    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dear-mark-canola-oil/

    And eggs rule! I thought even CW-followers were back on the egg bandwagon.

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    First, that LDL is very likely wrong because your triglycerides are below 100 and I can almost guarantee that they weren't measured but just calculated. The Iranian formula says your LDL is about 168. Most labs don't realize that the Friedewald equation only works to calculate LDL when trigs are over 100 and below 400. It's very limited in its accuracy and validity. Demand a VAP test which directly measures LDL particle size.

    Second, your ratios went up from where they were before, but you're still well within optimal for all three of them:

    Before:
    Total/HDL: 2.4 where optimal is 4.4 or below for a woman and 5 or below for a man
    Trig/HDL: 0.4 where optimal is 2 or below
    LDL/HDL: 0.8 where optimal is 4.3 or below

    Now:
    Total/HDL: 3.5 where optimal is 4.4 or below for a woman and 5 or below for a man
    Trig/HDL: 1.0 where optimal is 2 or below
    LDL/HDL: 2.1 where optimal is 4.3 or below

    These ratios indicate:
    1. Total/HDL: that your LDL is pattern A (large, fluffy and non-harmful)
    2. Trig/HDL: that your free insulin levels are low (which is good)
    3. LDL/HDL: That you probably have minimal to zero arterial calcification/plaque buildup

    Finally, total cholesterol doesn't mean anything. Anyone who says differently is twenty years out of date and doesn't know what they're talking about - if they were up on the research, they wouldn't be freaking out. And the dietician is doing what almost all dieticians and nutritionists do - spouting CW, because they were taught it in school and don't know any better.

    Here's an in-depth article I wrote about this topic (I think I'm going to add it to my signature file): http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)

    Best of luck.
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    Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

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    Thanks Griff I had a feeling you would chime in.. i did come across your Primer beforehand.. great info there.

    I'll get a VAP to make sure..

    A scary fact.. right before my dad's stroke, his Triglycerides were 600.

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    High trigs come from ingestion of carbs. Cut carbs, you cut trigs.

    Hope this helped.
    Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

    Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


    Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

    My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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    Is it weird then that my Trigs went up even cutting carbs after going Primal and that my Free Insulin level ratio went up as well?

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    Aren't tri's also stored in fat cells? I would think they would go up for awhile after going on a primal diet, by being released for energy.

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    I thought eggs were given the all-clear from even the AHA, at this stage?? I mean if Dr. Oz can recommend them left and right...

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