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    Quote Originally Posted by VeggieLover View Post
    I doubt that a little soymilk and once weekly almond butter is really causing inflammation in my body. Plus legume are more inflammatory always, which you eat, according to the book.

    I just have a hard time wrapping my head around eating a ton of protein, when cultures across the globe, mainly japanese, eat very little meat, eat white rice and tons of veggies and happen to be way thinner than any of us meat eaters over here.

    I have not had my period in about 5 years at this point, but it all started after I took some nasty drug that wrecked havoc on my body. Hormones have not been the same ever since, but I have to say that the latest test showed my levels in normal range. This has been one of the first times that I have seen it balanced, but have yet to have a natural cycle. I don't equate that to diet, since I have tried full paleo before (felt worse eating a ton of animal all the time) and still did not get my period.
    Soaking and fermenting legumes reduces their impact on inflammation. Besides, just offering you an alternative source of protein to meat. I rarely eat legumes now. Just showing that it is possible to lose fat while eating them.

    As for the Japanese, they eat a lot of protein and some vegetables and rice. They may eat a small bowl of rice or noodles at the end of a meal. They don't eat rice of noodles throughout a meal. They mightn't eat a lot of red meat but they sure eat a lot of seafood and protein sources that are very rich in other nutrients. Neither do they eat lots of vegetables.

    My last suggestion to you is to reread the book and try to adopt a strict primal protocol to address your health issues first. I don't think you should worry about fat while you suffer from amenorrhea
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    Quote Originally Posted by VeggieLover View Post
    I doubt that a little soymilk and once weekly almond butter is really causing inflammation in my body. Plus legume are more inflammatory always, which you eat, according to the book.

    I just have a hard time wrapping my head around eating a ton of protein, when cultures across the globe, mainly japanese, eat very little meat, eat white rice and tons of veggies and happen to be way thinner than any of us meat eaters over here.

    I have not had my period in about 5 years at this point, but it all started after I took some nasty drug that wrecked havoc on my body. Hormones have not been the same ever since, but I have to say that the latest test showed my levels in normal range. This has been one of the first times that I have seen it balanced, but have yet to have a natural cycle. I don't equate that to diet, since I have tried full paleo before (felt worse eating a ton of animal all the time) and still did not get my period.
    Soy is probably the worst legume by far, you may have mistaken ideas about the traditional japanese diet, you do seem fixed in your attitude towards animal protein, the reason your hormones have stabilised may well be related to something you were doing 6 months ago, that's why chopping and changing too much doesn't bode well for healing.

    How's your basal body temp, is it low consistantly?
    You asked for opinions that's what you got, take in the info, read some more and make informed decisions, you likely have chronic underlying conditions and you will need a concerted structured approach to heal fully.

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    It's unlikely you're in starvation mode at 1500cals only doing 45mins/5wk on the elliptical. That really isn't all that much. Have you considered adding in some weight training and sprints to help boost your metabolism and heal your hormonal issues?

    A few questions that may unlock the mystery: Have you had your thyroid levels tested?
    How tall are you and how much do you weigh?
    How are you calculating your caloric output?
    If you are without a period I'm guessing you have a rather low BMI? If you are using the calorie output on the machines at the gym they are total garbage. You need to go out and invest in a HRM if you really want to get fancy about calories in/out (which really isn't a good method anyway). For example, I was on the stepmill yesterday. After entering my weight into the machine at the end of the workout it said I had burned 546cals...my HRM said 220....if I used this day after day to help me determine my calorie intake I'd certainly be putting on weight. Just a thought.

    In terms of your diet, honestly, if you are experiencing any hormonal imbalance I'd steer clear of soy in all forms. I hear what you're saying about meat consumption. It's great that you know your body. Paul Chek uses metabolic typing to help determine diet and from what you're saying it seems that you are more of a "Carb type". Have a look into it. You can easily eat primal under this model perhaps including some white rice, sweet potatoes, veggies and lean meats. Off the top of my head, I believe Chek recommends Macros for carb types to be 70% carb, 20% protein, 10% fat. This may work for you.

    Hope this was helpful.

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    I just have a hard time wrapping my head around eating a ton of protein, when cultures across the globe, mainly japanese, eat very little meat, eat white rice and tons of veggies and happen to be way thinner than any of us meat eaters over here.
    Well, I was a vegetarian for years that ate low calorie and did a ton of cardio and was fat. Very fat. Obese. Yet able to run a marathon. For whatever reason, that mix would not let me lose fat.

    Add in a ton of meat, some fat, eliminate a few things like gluten and soy... and in a bit over a year, 40 lbs of fat gone. With LESS exercise. My body needed protein, feeding it protein led to fat loss and muscle gain.

    If you are interested in trying primal, try it. Just because the Japanese are thin and don't eat a lot of protein doesn't mean you don't need more protein. What you are probably doing is cannibalizing muscle to meet your protein needs. And being thin? Being thin means nothing. You can be thin eating 2 cans of diet coke and a snickers bar every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magnolia1973 View Post
    Well, I was a vegetarian for years that ate low calorie and did a ton of cardio and was fat. Very fat. Obese. Yet able to run a marathon. For whatever reason, that mix would not let me lose fat.

    Add in a ton of meat, some fat, eliminate a few things like gluten and soy... and in a bit over a year, 40 lbs of fat gone. With LESS exercise. My body needed protein, feeding it protein led to fat loss and muscle gain.

    If you are interested in trying primal, try it. Just because the Japanese are thin and don't eat a lot of protein doesn't mean you don't need more protein. What you are probably doing is cannibalizing muscle to meet your protein needs. And being thin? Being thin means nothing. You can be thin eating 2 cans of diet coke and a snickers bar every day.
    Interesting, I wonder why on a biological level protein leads to weight loss in that case bc in theory it seems less calories equals weight loss, even through Primal you probably end up eating less calories anyways.

    I had my thyroid checked years agao, when I took that drug. I was severely anemic, had low thyroid and no hormones. Now I am on thyroid meds, my t4 is in range but on the low end, so am starting to adjust dosing this week. i have been taking an extremely high compounded dose for years bc my body seems to have a hard time absorbing it. This could still be related to some gut issues that I have, which are slowly on the mend.

    I am 5'6 115, would like to get back down to 110, which to me is where I naturally was for years and years. I have always been thin, so please don't just by these numbers. I feel healthiest and look my best at that weight.

    Do I just give up all the cardio for some time and switch to low carb?

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    Honestly, you are on a primal website. No one is going to advocate what you are doing now.

    Eat meat, vegetables, fruits, fish, fowl and good fats. Avoid gluten/grains, soy, sugar, vegetable oils. For me "low carb" is irrelevant. Don't worry about your macros until you have the food choices down. (hint, without grains and sugar, it's hard to eat a lot of carbs). Lift heavy things, do long and slow cardio and HIIT training.

    If you half ass it, don't be surprised if it doesn't work.

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    i'd be thinking more about set-point right now, not starvation mode. your body may not want to go lower. at your height and weight, most would consider you very thin.

    the cals supposedly burned on those machines are ballpark estimates at best, and include your bmr. drop most of the cardio and start lifting. it will help with body recomp and you will "look smaller", and be stronger, instead of obsessed about a number on the scale.

    and as mentioned upthread, i think you have a very skewed perception of how the japanese actually eat. lots of fish, lots of pork. the average japanese person eats 1/2 pound of fish per day. some fermented veggies and fermented soy products. ever get a bowl of miso soup? it has a few tiny bits of tofu in it. small servings of rice.
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    The Japanese government is concerned about people who rely heavily on the traditional diet of white rice, pickles, and miso soup 3 times a day. Such people are often bedridden in their old age, unlike those who eat more meat and vegetables and live long, productive lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodletoy View Post
    and as mentioned upthread, i think you have a very skewed perception of how the japanese actually eat. lots of fish, lots of pork. the average japanese person eats 1/2 pound of fish per day. some fermented veggies and fermented soy products. ever get a bowl of miso soup? it has a few tiny bits of tofu in it. small servings of rice.
    I lived in Japan for four years as a teenager and my father and brothers live and work there today. What Noodle says is true. They don't eat big grilled blocks of tofu for dinner. They eat seafood, pork, sometimes chicken and very little beef. Beef is mainly found in the Western restaurants and steak houses rather than in the little Mom and pop joints. Lots of sea vegetables and fermented foods. Yes, they eat quite a bit of white rice. Soy is a condiment though not a main course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VeggieLover View Post
    I had my thyroid checked years agao, when I took that drug. I was severely anemic, had low thyroid and no hormones. Now I am on thyroid meds, my t4 is in range but on the low end, so am starting to adjust dosing this week. i have been taking an extremely high compounded dose for years bc my body seems to have a hard time absorbing it. This could still be related to some gut issues that I have, which are slowly on the mend.

    I am 5'6 115, would like to get back down to 110, which to me is where I naturally was for years and years. I have always been thin, so please don't just by these numbers. I feel healthiest and look my best at that weight.

    Do I just give up all the cardio for some time and switch to low carb?
    Thyroid problems and very low carb are a recipe for disaster and sounds like you are part way there.
    Do you have the rest of your thyroid numbers TSH & FT3 ?
    The fact that you have been on strong medication for years and have a history of major hormonal upsets indicates to me your focus should be purely on whatever you can do to benefit your health.
    You will need to engage fully in understanding what your test results indicate, if you continue to simply rely on the system to tell you your numbers are fine, then you will continue to be in the same place.

    I don't think I am far from the truth when I say everyone here is slowly becoming a specialist in their own body, different angles because everyone has different ills, but when they talk about their thing, they can mix it with the best Doc's.
    So you either become an active participant and make demands on the system or just remain a recipeint and be happy with what the system gives you.

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