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    Quote Originally Posted by dilberryhoundog View Post
    what you guys and the scientific studies miss is that western society is FAT, every where you look people are overweight or obese. Why is this? (pssst... they all eat high carb diets). somewhere there is a missing link between all the science and what is actually happening.
    There's no missing link. It's pretty obvious what is actually happening:

    Typical meal at McDonald's:

    Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese: 43 GRAMS of FAT, 750 CALORIES, 41 GRAMS of CARBS
    LARGE french fries: 29 GRAMS of FAT, 500 CALORIES, 63 GRAMS of CARBS
    MEDIUM coke: 210 CALORIES, 58 GRAMS of CARBS

    TOTAL MEAL: 72 GRAMS of FAT; 1,460 CALORIES; 162 GRAMS of CARBS

    *If this person chose a diet soda instead, the grams from fat and carbs would be ALMOST the same. And since fat has slightly more than twice as many calories per gram as carbs, this would mean:

    72 x 9 = 630 calories from fat
    104 x 4 = 416 calories from carbs

    If you think carbs are the only problem with SAD, you've got some mighty fine blinders on.

    (This is also completely ignoring that this typical SAD meal is extremely high in oxidized PUFA, GMO, HFCS, preservatives, artificial flavorings, etc and very nutrient poor.)
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    Fat is the most "dangerous" of the macro nutrients, and will more easily be stored as body fat if eating in a calorie surplus, it just get stored without any metabolic fuzz at all. In the case of carbs, they will only be stored as body fat if there is no space for glycogen in muscle or liver, and some of it will be lost in the process of converting to body fat and the body will also ramp up heat and general energy spending etc. That's unfortunatly not the case with fat...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorbag View Post
    Fat is the most "dangerous" of the macro nutrients, and will more easily be stored as body fat if eating in a calorie surplus, it just get stored without any metabolic fuzz at all. In the case of carbs, they will only be stored as body fat if there is no space for glycogen in muscle or liver, and some of it will be lost in the process of converting to body fat and the body will also ramp up heat and general energy spending etc. That's unfortunatly not the case with fat...
    Actually this is part of the reason that fat is the least problematic in excess. Essentially the conversion and disposal pathways of carbohydrate and protein do produce toxic elements to a much greater degree than you would ever find with fat storage.

    Of course we have been through this Gorbag, but just to restate it is not about ease of storage! Its about the capacity to access those stores and utilize them for energy. Its also about the least metabolic collateral damage produced when utilizing that fuel. So yes, we are talking quality of fuel.... optimized hormones, micronutrient replete with plenty of cofactors to go through the processes.

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    Our bodies are adaptive. High carb, low carb, medium carb. Doesn't matter. Eat high quality nutritionally dense foods, keep moving, pick up heavy stuff. The minutia being discussed here is close to meaningless.

    For reasons no one really understands, some people feel better eating at opposite sides of the spectrum. There is no right or wrong, just some macro/nutrient categories work better for some than others. Enjoy the ride, enjoy the diversity!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BestBetter View Post
    There's no missing link. It's pretty obvious what is actually happening:

    Typical meal at McDonald's:

    Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese: 43 GRAMS of FAT, 750 CALORIES, 41 GRAMS of CARBS
    LARGE french fries: 29 GRAMS of FAT, 500 CALORIES, 63 GRAMS of CARBS
    MEDIUM coke: 210 CALORIES, 58 GRAMS of CARBS

    TOTAL MEAL: 72 GRAMS of FAT; 1,460 CALORIES; 162 GRAMS of CARBS

    *If this person chose a diet soda instead, the grams from fat and carbs would be ALMOST the same. And since fat has slightly more than twice as many calories per gram as carbs, this would mean:

    72 x 9 = 630 calories from fat
    104 x 4 = 416 calories from carbs

    If you think carbs are the only problem with SAD, you've got some mighty fine blinders on.

    (This is also completely ignoring that this typical SAD meal is extremely high in oxidized PUFA, GMO, HFCS, preservatives, artificial flavorings, etc and very nutrient poor.)
    And you know this meal is "typical" how? Not seeing a citation here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eKatherine View Post
    And you know this meal is "typical" how? Not seeing a citation here.
    Why do you need one? Go to a McDonalds and look at the menu. They already have "meals" planned out that include a sandwich (mostly some variation of cheeseburger), fries - although they default to medium unless you ask otherwise - and a medium drink. Since this is their default, it means that most people who eat there want that combination of foods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kata View Post
    Why do you need one? Go to a McDonalds and look at the menu. They already have "meals" planned out that include a sandwich (mostly some variation of cheeseburger), fries - although they default to medium unless you ask otherwise - and a medium drink. Since this is their default, it means that most people who eat there want that combination of foods.
    Okay, it's a "meal" you are using for the purpose of this discussion. They're trying to push this combo, which means you assume almost everyone orders it. I would think that if everyone ordered it, they wouldn't be pushing it like that.

    Remember in "supersize me", where he ordered an enormous amount of food, then stuffed himself sick every day for a month, because "those people" do it all the time? But the people he found who did actually eat all their meals at McDonalds were actually kind of thin, and didn't order the big meals...
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    Quote Originally Posted by eKatherine View Post
    And you know this meal is "typical" how? Not seeing a citation here.
    McDonalds sells 75 burgers every second, I don't think it's very far-fetched and you're just being needlessly difficult. They also cook everything in rancid fat, so yes, it's insanely high in fat. They also buy 45.6 billion pounds annually of potatoes. Also, why wouldn't you get a large coke when last I checked it was $1 for a large in the states? The value menu also has double cheeseburgers.

    Have you ever been in a McDonalds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eKatherine View Post
    Okay, it's a "meal" you are using for the purpose of this discussion. They're trying to push this combo, which means you assume almost everyone orders it. I would think that if everyone ordered it, they wouldn't be pushing it like that.
    Nah, I think they put that system together because that's what most people were ordering anyway, and it's faster to say a number that encapsulates all that than to list all the things you want. It's probably a matter of efficiency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eKatherine View Post
    And you know this meal is "typical" how? Not seeing a citation here.
    This is quite easily the most moronic comment I've ever seen written on this forum. Are you seriously trying to claim that some type of burger, french fries and soda IS NOT a typical fast food meal?

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