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    Quote Originally Posted by wiltondeportes View Post
    "Proven in economics" though? Economics is a social science.
    So it is just your opinion. How is that you call out others for peddling in opinions when it suits you?

    Are you really asking why Fascism is bad?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wiltondeportes View Post
    Totally free markets promote monopolies more than our current policies.
    ehh... not so sure.... there is a school of economics that teaches that monopolies are greated soley by government intevention in the market. In a totally free market, monopolies are not possible because competition will always bring new players to the game that can produce a good or service cheaper and faster than the monopoly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 70in2012 View Post
    So it is just your opinion. How is that you call out others for peddling in opinions when it suits you?
    What in the hell are you on about. I simply said that pure systems don't work as well as a mixed system. A mixed system has more checks and balances. Ideally, it takes the positives from it's components and less of the negatives.

    Quote Originally Posted by 70in2012 View Post
    Are you really asking why Fascism is bad?!
    Yes, I really am. I don't think you know; I think you're conditioned to react to that word without thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiltondeportes View Post
    Yes, I really am. I don't think you know; I think you're conditioned to react to that word without thinking.
    You aren't a fan of history, are you? Fascism worked out really well for the Italians in the 30's and 40's, don't ya think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssn679doc View Post
    You aren't a fan of history, are you? Fascism worked out really well for the Italians in the 30's and 40's, don't ya think?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Fascism
    Italian Fascism opposes liberalism, but rather than seeking a reactionary restoration of the pre-French Revolutionary world, which it considered to have been flawed, it has a forward-looking direction.[6] It is opposed to socialism because of the latter's typical opposition to nationalism,[7] but was also opposed to the reactionary conservatism developed by Joseph de Maistre.[8] It believes the success of Italian nationalism requires respect for tradition and a clear sense of a shared past among the Italian people alongside a commitment to a modernized Italy.[9]
    So Italian fascism opposes liberalism, socialism, and conservatism. Exactly how many aspects of fascism do you think we have as a nation?

    My point is simply that we have a spectrum of philosophies that make up our government system as a whole. Some take up larger parts, but none are pure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiltondeportes View Post
    What in the hell are you on about. I simply said that pure systems don't work as well as a mixed system. A mixed system has more checks and balances. Ideally, it takes the positives from it's components and less of the negatives.


    Yes, I really am. I don't think you know; I think you're conditioned to react to that word without thinking.
    You have no idea of the difference between checks and balances and fascism.

    I wanted to give you benefit of lack of real world experience before.

    But now i am convinced that you are just a redneck and a physics undergrad armed with an Internet connection. Amusing combination I must admit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssn679doc View Post
    ehh... not so sure.... there is a school of economics that teaches that monopolies are greated soley by government intevention in the market. In a totally free market, monopolies are not possible because competition will always bring new players to the game that can produce a good or service cheaper and faster than the monopoly.
    Other competitors are half of the game. The other half is the exponential growth of wealth. The rule of thumb is that rich people have an easier time getting richer.

    Imagine this scenario. Take a business that's number 1 in the market for its product. While matching or exceeding its competitors product, It lowers its prices below competitors' prices once it has enough capital and cash flow to afford to do so. This brings it even more business. Eventually, the cycle can continue until the #1 company has a virtual monopoly on the system.

    But even within the field of competitors, things are not so clear-cut. Competitors can be bought out. Markets can be saturated, making it very difficult for new competitors to come onto the scene.

    Conclusion: A free market certainly does not prevent monopolies. There is only one way to prevent monopoly: have an elected, public government which regulates them. Not a perfect system by any means, but it's better than the alternatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 70in2012 View Post
    You have no idea of the difference between checks and balances and fascism.

    I wanted to give you benefit of lack of real world experience before.

    But now i am convinced that you are just a redneck and a physics undergrad armed with an Internet connection. Amusing combination I must admit.
    Ok, bro. I did not compare checks and balances to fascism. I said that fascism is an acceptable component in a system which checks it with opposing values, such as liberalism, conservatism, and socialism. I don't think many situations call for fascism; however, a few do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wiltondeportes View Post
    The government serves the people who belong to it, not the ones who don't.
    this right here should end your entire line of thinking right?

    and you think there should be a world government? Isn't that just another way of saying, "the entire planet should be owned by, work for, and obey a small minority of people arbitrarily designated as better?"

    This seems like a mother issue to me. You are being way hysterical and emotional and making up insane examples of mass-murder and rape that literally doesn't happen ever anywhere (except under government banners in government uniforms actually).

    It's a stupid argument anyway, because for about 20 pages now, people are using the word "government" like it's apart from humans, when we are just talking about people who adopt a certain label that deflects responsibility for their behavior; you are saying, "The thieves and rapists and murderers and kidnappers should be obeyed," and some other people are saying, "the thieves and rapists and murderers and kidnappers should be disarmed."

    also still fuck infrastructure; college-boy word for the chain gang.
    "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
    this right here should end your entire line of thinking right?
    No, why would it?


    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
    and you think there should be a world government? Isn't that just another way of saying, "the entire planet should be owned by, work for, and obey a small minority of people arbitrarily designated as better?"

    This seems like a mother issue to me. You are being way hysterical and emotional and making up insane examples of mass-murder and rape that literally doesn't happen ever anywhere (except under government banners in government uniforms actually).

    It's a stupid argument anyway, because for about 20 pages now, people are using the word "government" like it's apart from humans, when we are just talking about people who adopt a certain label that deflects responsibility for their behavior; you are saying, "The thieves and rapists and murderers and kidnappers should be obeyed," and some other people are saying, "the thieves and rapists and murderers and kidnappers should be disarmed."
    No, it's like saying the entire planet should work together.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
    also still fuck infrastructure; college-boy word for the chain gang.
    Ok, then we don't get modern civilization. We get primitive agrarian civilization or tribal living.

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