In matters of style, swim with the current. In matters of principle, stand like a rock.
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I don't know if you truly understand the magnitude of the wrongdoings or if you genuinely do not care, but I am positive that if most people actually knew what the news doesn't report, the majority would agree that this system is beyond salvaging. It's evil to the core. And I'm not talking about Alex Jones conspiracy BS. I'm talking about gruesome facts that cannot be disputed.
Last edited by j3nn; 09-16-2013 at 07:56 PM.
Furthermore, all of your examples are not valid for modern day. If you go back to that lifestyle, you give up all of modern progress and accomplishment.
The government uses force because that is its sovereignty. This is normal, not amoral.
Society is a violent monopoly, one way or another.
You are tearing down a system for things that exist in all systems. That's why you need to understand the *why* of things existing before tearing them apart. You have nothing better to replace the current system. You have ideological garbage.
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There is nothing normal about belief in a delusion.
You either believe in the individual or you don't. If you don't believe in the power of the individual then how can you believe in the power of a collective? You can add zero's all day, but it will never add up to anything.
How do you believe in a small group of individuals making decisions for the collective? If you believe there are groups of individuals capable of performing such an important role without help from an even bigger organization, then why wouldn't you believe there are smaller groups of people capable of advancing society without the help of government?
wilton i can't help but think you live in a larger urban area and haven't spent any appreciable time in a more rural setting
things can and do get done without governmental or slavatorial assistance, man is self policing (shame is a powerful thing. when everyone gives you the stink eye you know you messed up) and when favors aren't done for money, they are done for items (jelly, jam, pie, return use of tools, etc)
i've been keeping up with this thread and the only thing i'm getting from your arguments is a glaring, flashing neon sign that says I LIVE IN A CITY
yeah you are
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I believe in a small group of individuals making decisions for the collective because that is a step above mob rule. The collective purely making decisions is mob rule, and that is essentially tribalism. Mob rule and tribalism cannot function with large numbers in their society. In contrast, civilization cannot function with small numbers in their society. We have a very large society with democracy (mob rule) and republicanism (representative rulers). There's a continuum of purity for both of those ideas, and we lie somewhere in the middle.
Smaller groups won't advance society. There will be bitter competition in many parts for a long time. Eventually, there may be some lax competition and easy food surplus, which will lead to higher populations that will again compete bitterly until the population finds equilibrium.
Federal governments essentially take these groups of people and make them compete economically rather than violently. There is still much violence, as any system would have, but there is more good than bad.
What is the point of society? I'll take that two ways. Civilization is to achieve, succeed, progress, evolve, maximize potential. This may be post hoc, but that's irrelevant now. Society itself, of which tribes are the basic unit, is to survive.
Last edited by wiltondeportes; 09-16-2013 at 09:39 PM.
Everybody on this message board appears to guess the opposite of what I am. I've lived much of my life rurally, and I like it a lot.
Man "self-policing" goes back to smaller, organized groups similar to tribes. There is no way to police without organization first. However, a small group's capability to police comes far, far, far short of what's needed to police and keep modern civilization together.
You didnt really answer anything. You point out that mob rule on small scale is bad, but it works on a larger scale as if by magic. Just because we give it a new name? What makes fewer people making decisions better if you don't trust people to run their own lives in the first place?