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    That's an act of aggression. If everyone defended themselves, much like 50% of households in Switzerland, these situations would be nearly nonexistent.
    Would you consider Gandhi to be aggressive?

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    That's outmoded life. The way of the future is in voluntary exchange. Slavery is so 17th century BS.
    It's currently not outmoded. Government sustains all infrastructure which holds modern civilization together.

    The *future* is actually an interesting question, but it's not as simple as slapping wishful, naive thinking onto it. Technology will surely continue to improve. If we reached a singularity, stuff will change, and I haven't thought enough about it to decide what it might look like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j3nn View Post
    Unless it is self-defense, violence is an act of aggression, why do you believe that humans cannot evolve past resorting to physical violence to solve all of their problems? Even the military is getting over that; wars of the future (if governments still existed) will be fought with robots and A.I. You are living in the past, my friend.

    The one and only universal rule: The non-aggression principle. That's the only rule needed. No rulers needed to enforce it. People can learn to practice and enforce it themselves without turning to a gang that has a monopoly on violence to do it for them.
    Are arrests not self-defense provided by the state?

    And I don't believe humans always resort to physical violence. I do believe they are completely tied to competition, of which physical violence is only a form. Political and economic aggression are just as brutal as physical aggression, only they are more indirect. There's no way any silly "non-aggression principle" is going to keep all people from competing. Aggression is a competitive advantage and will always exist because of the human arm race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiltondeportes View Post
    Would you consider Gandhi to be aggressive?
    If he ever violated the NAP in any way, then yes. I have no gods or demigods. No one is sacred and exempted from the NAP, in my view.

    It's currently not outmoded. Government sustains all infrastructure which holds modern civilization together.
    BS. All smoke and mirrors. Capitalism holds civilization together far more than the state does. If the state disappeared tomorrow, no one, except government employees, would even notice.

    The *future* is actually an interesting question, but it's not as simple as slapping wishful, naive thinking onto it. Technology will surely continue to improve. If we reached a singularity, stuff will change, and I haven't thought enough about it to decide what it might look like.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity
    My husband works towards bringing singularity to fruition. It's a controversial subject. I do know that if the state conquers that frontier first, it will not be good for humankind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j3nn View Post
    Unless it is self-defense, violence is an act of aggression, why do you believe that humans cannot evolve past resorting to physical violence to solve all of their problems?
    If only we could make people better and kinder and gentler than humans have ever been before...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiltondeportes View Post
    Are arrests not self-defense provided by the state?
    There are many, many instances of unprovoked violence from police and other government agents towards non-violent and innocent victims. How many drug raids must happen where police break into people's homes, kill their dogs, shoot aimlessly at anything moving, only to be at the wrong address and not be held accountable? That's only one example.

    There's no way any silly "non-aggression principle" is going to keep all people from competing. Aggression is a competitive advantage and will always exist because of the human arm race.
    NAP is not a guarantee that all people will be civilized. There is no such thing as Utopia under any ideology. You must learn to protect yourself and your property, but we must change the hearts and minds of people through education, not through archaic physical methods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    If only we could make people better and kinder and gentler than humans have ever been before...
    We kind of are. I think we're more civilized and compassionate now than in all of history despite our perpetual war state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j3nn View Post
    We kind of are. I think we're more civilized and compassionate now than in all of history despite our perpetual war state.
    Well, if you think it, it must be true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j3nn View Post
    If he ever violated the NAP in any way, then yes. I have no gods or demigods. No one is sacred and exempted from the NAP, in my view.
    That wasn't the point. He protested government without aggressive force. You have options if you wish to not participate in modern civilization. It is only your lack of desire to pursue them that makes you not attain them.

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    BS. All smoke and mirrors. Capitalism holds civilization together far more than the state does. If the state disappeared tomorrow, no one, except government employees, would even notice.
    And what holds capitalism together? Goodwill sure doesn't. Government holds capitalism together. So you're saying that capitalism has far more power than the government in modern civilization, right? Isn't this a good thing for you? Small government, big business.

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    My husband works towards bringing singularity to fruition. It's a controversial subject. I do know that if the state conquers that frontier first, it will not be good for humankind.
    That's like saying you are building a space shuttle to traverse the universe. Fun idea but totally meaningless for a long time. The singularity is not even guaranteed to happen, just like a complete universe transnavigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    If only we could make people better and kinder and gentler than humans have ever been before...
    Did you read Daniel Quinn, or is that coincidence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    Well, if you think it, it must be true.
    Humans have a long way to go, but I really do think we can move past the horrendousness. Maybe not in our lifetime, but I already see gigantic leaps towards it in the past few years.
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