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    Hashimoto's, palpitations & dodgy digestion!

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    I'm Sophie. My family & I (husband, four & two year olds) have been Primal for about 18 months after following WAPF for our daughter's teeth. I'm hoping somebody here might recognise themself in my description & help show me the right path.

    Disclaimer: this starts with heart problems. I know it's going to be tempting to tell me to go to the doctor & I promise I am. But in the UK it helps to go to your over-worked GP armed with some answers - they get eight minutes per patient & are general, not specialist in their knowledge.

    Ok June 2011 I had open heart surgery for a number of congenital defects. All went swimmingly. A few heart monitors later, a 24hour one showed frequent & very frequent ventricular & supra ventricular ectopic beats. 75% of the population have ectopics, they're generally harmless but can be very dangerous in those with heart disease. It has been suggested that I go on low dose Beta blockers.

    I would much prefer to find out what is causing this than just treat the symptom in isolation. I'll take the meds if it's unavoidably necessary.

    A number of digestion problems that have plagued me since early-20s still hang around. I am beginning to feel, through research, that these and the palpitations are related - that the palps are the result of gut issues, rather than cardiovascular in origin. The palps always occur after consuming food. (NB. I don't normally eat processed carbs, but it was an N1 thing!)

    This is getting long, so thank you if you've read this far! I didn't want to list my symptoms in isolation, without some background. So, here's where I'm hoping someone might recognise the symptoms:

    Palpitations after eating - very bad with bad/processed carbs, noticeable with dairy & caffeine, very mild 'cold, fluttery' feeling with Primal foods
    Cramps, gas & loose, urgent stools immediately after heavy dairy & sometimes caffeine
    Brain fog, bad memory, lack of concentration - textbook for Inattentive ADD
    Huge lack of energy/fatigue
    Itchy, over-productive scalp - infinitely worse if I eat sugary stuff
    Muscular & skeletal weakness - I'm very prone to back problems, 'crunchy' knees, & what was being diagnosed as pleurisy but is actually problems caused by instability in my ribs, etc
    Dreadful immunity - I get everything going, for weeks
    Sinusitis, including sinus headaches
    Depression - ranging from mild to major, including postnatal
    Migraine - with aura, headache lasts two days minimum
    Abnormal stools - no blood, but rarely 'normal', seems to swing from one end of the spectrum to the other
    Very low blood pressure - leads to dizziness, about 100/50 usually
    Flare-ups about every six to twelve months - I cannot keep any food in my body for about four weeks when this happens; immediately after finishing a meal I have to rush to the toilet & can't leave until everything is out of my system, along with dreadful cramps - once I'm empty, the cramp vanishes.

    Ha! I sound pathetic The kicker is, I'm overweight, despite this. The weight does come off when I stick strictly to Primal, but that's complicated by disordered/emotional eating issues.

    I am getting desperate now - I thought I had a handle on all this, the Primal helped enormously, but that letter about the Beta blockers...the heart surgery brought home the fact that I am actually mortal & this stupid broken heart could take me away from my babies. I'm just plain scared, but I don't want to get stuck on meds & forgotten about until the next problem. I want to fix it!

    Suggestions from friends & research seem to be leading me towards: Hashimoto's, leaky gut, hypothyroidism, Specific Carbohydrate Diet & magnesium/potassium deficiency.

    Please, please, does any of this (some symptoms may be irrelevant) sound familiar to anyone? Any thoughts would be gratefully considered....

    Sophie
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    Well- I used to get heart palps all the time. They would last for minutes, and were worse if I was cold. It was very disconcerting. For an unrelated reason I went to the dentist for a teeth cleaning. It had been many years since I had my teeth cleaned, although I felt my hygeine regimen at home was good. After having my teeth cleaned, my heart palps completely resolved. Why, I have no idea. But they did. I have seen articles that gum disease and heart disease have a relationship. I have no idea whether this will be helpful to you, for all I know you see the dentist every 6 months, but it's what helped me.

    I also have Hashimotos- are you taking replacement thyroid hormone? Nearly all my Hashi symptoms resolved after I went on thyroid hormone. I take the desiccated porcine thyroid, not Levothyroxine.

    Your bowel issues sound like "rapid emptying" and is often related to food allergies.

    Be aware that autoimmune conditions beget other autoimmune conditions. It's not unusual for someone with one autoimmune condition (in our case, Hashis) to develop others like Rheumatoid Arthritis, Celiac, etc. So you may have more than one thing going on. Some things that can help: identify if you have ANY food allergies, and get those foods OUT of your diet. In people with Autoimmune conditions, allergies cause the body to produce antibodies that then attack our own bodies. In my case, it was dairy. Have your serum D levels checked- most people with autoimmune diseases are very low on Vitamin D. I take 5000IU daily under the instruction and supervision of my doctor. Selenium helps protect the thyroid from autoimmune attack- make sure you are getting some in your diet.

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    I strongly suggest you read "Fiber Menace" as soon as possible. The Hashimotos is probably the underlying problem.

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    Hi Sophaholic

    My suggestion to you is to think about salycilate intolerance.

    Salycilates are specific food chemicals. Everyone has a form of salycilate tolerance/intolerance however some people are more intoleranct than others.

    Two symptoms really encourage me to think this might be part of your answer - the heart palpitations and weight gain and irritable bowel. Plus doctors have very little knowledge of food intolerance. So will tell you it is all in your head if you try to talk to them about it. Allergists are often more understanding. However there is no test for food intolerance like ther eis for allergies...you have to do an elimination diet and it is trial and error.

    The important thing to realise is that some of the foods recommended on the Paleo diet are high in salycilates. Also it is important to also realise that people who have salycilate intolerance are at high risk of sulphite intolerance as well. Sulphites are the preservatives used in food and they are in everything. Sulphites are terrible for irritable bowel.

    Here are some websites to help.

    salycilatesensitivity.com

    fedup.com.au

    Your symptoms really sound like food intolerance. Salycilates are one form....as is gluten intolerance...lactose...oxalates...etc

    Hope these websites help you. Google food intolerance and salycilates and you will find heaps of info

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    I would suggest considering adrenal issues, which may be the case when you have lots of seemingly unrelated symptoms. The medical establishment doesn't recognize this but following an adrenal protocol fairly closely has been life changing for me. I have read that it's difficult to fix thyroid issues with addressing underlying adrenal problems. Here's a post Mark did. Gluten-free, I've read, helps thyroid issues a lot. That would be a good place to start if you are still consuming some gluten and get off the caffeine if you haven't already. It's hell on adrenal functioning and helps us hold on to the weight (think fight or flight).
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    Thank you so much everyone. There's a lot of info for me to think about there! Everything does seem to be pointing to food intolerances/allergies. I wonder if these could produce the palpitations due to an autoimmune/stress response?

    EagleRiverDee - the cardiologists do emphasise the danger of oral bacteria to those with dodgy heart valves. I'm not taking any thyroid hormone as I haven't actually seen the doctor about this yet. I looked up 'rapid emptying' (I cannot believe it's been named Gastric Dumping Syndrome without a hint of irony...although it may not have such a crude meaning in the States!) & it's spot on for how I feel during those episodes..

    Cryptocode - really interesting looking book. Any particular reason you'd suggest that one in this case?

    Elizabeth - salicylate intolerance is so prevalent, I never realised! I'll read more about it & look at starting an elimination diet. I've been doing a rough version of the SCD intro diet, just to calm the symptoms down while I figure it out. Agree about the doctors being hard to talk to about food issues - my son was in agony as a newborn with lactose & milk protein issues. The doctors told me to "carry on as normal!" I had to go Hulk-mum on them before they listened :-D

    Tornado-Girl - a quick Google of adrenal issues brings up some very familiar sounding symptoms, thank you. Definitely look into it.

    Now I just have to convince my doctor I'm not crazy! Thank you all so much for you ideas.

    Sophie

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    Shopaholic - heart issues as in palpitations can definitely come with salycilate intolerance. As can asthma and breathing issues.
    There is a particulary nasty form of salycilate intolerance called sampters triad...that involves these symptoms. If you go to the website I suggested the girls in there will be so helpful at assisting you in working out what is going on. Also.....anything to do with thyroid can be linked to food intolerance...and sometimes if the food intolerances are resolved....then the thyroid issues can vastly improve as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophaholic View Post
    Cryptocode - really interesting looking book. Any particular reason you'd suggest that one in this case?
    Sophie
    I've been on PB 4.5 months and have spent almost all my time reading and learning. A theory is slowly developing in my mind that a large majority of the problems we experience are due to inflamation of the stomach, intestines, and/or colon. There are different things that can cause this inflamation but one of the most common in th U.S. is fiber. It's amazing the wide range of problems that inflamation causes. But problems involving digestion are of course especially significant in these relationships.

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    Have you read Wheat Belly? I'm partway through but a lot of your symptom sound like wheat intolerance, if not outright Celiac. He makes a huge correlation between Celiac and Hashimotos, IBS, GERD, "brain fog", etc - in fact, pretty much everything you listed. And since it seems to be worst with "processed carbs", which sounds like code for wheat...
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    Thanks guys. I'm reading all the sites and checking out all the books you've suggested.

    I'm going to go to my (usually, hopefully) friendly GP tomorrow armed with everything I've learned. I was a little worried because she'll have the 'beta blocker' letter from the cardiologist (note: not MY cardiologist. Some random guy who looked at my heart monitor and thought sticking someone with BP of 100/50 on betas would be sensible.... I'd be on the floor!), but yesterday I had a symprom that I'd not even thought of tying in - lots of pain in the area of my thyroid. Having been cracked open for the heart surgery, I'd always dismissed it as trauma to the breastbone/collarbone - it feels like something is pushing up and out from the base of my throat. So at least I can go to the GP with a demonstrable physical pain. Incidentally the palpitations were much worse yesterday, alongside the throat pain.

    I'm looking into GAPs in the hope to heal any gut inflammation, and will ask the GP to refer me to an endocrinologist and arrange for food allergy tests. I think things are pointing towards various food intolerances (inc wheat and dairy, possibly salicylates), leaky gut, hypothyroisim and possibly Hashi or similar. As some of you have said, it's all a bit of vicious circle with one leading to the other!

    I'm also sticking to GAPs and SCD intro foods for the moment, not necessarily to follow the diet until I have read it all properly, but just to keep things as un-aggravated as possible.

    I'm SO grateful to all of you for your input. I feel much less lost & frightened than a few days ago!

    Sophie

    ETA: TornadoGirl, that post was really interesting. It's constant mid-level stress here & absolutely no exercise (for reasons I won't go into because really if I forced myself I could find a way As for uninterrupted, quality sleep - ha! I count myself lucky if I get a four-hour stretch, that at least allows me to function as a reasonable human!)
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