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    Storing fat WITHOUT insulin - ASP

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    ASP (acylation stimulating protein)

    How much influence does ASP have? Is it a master, 2nd, or 3rd order hormone?

    The jury is still out but nonetheless ASP throws a wrench into the issue of how one could stall on their weight-loss while low-carb but eating... TOO much fat.

    The ASP mechanism seems to indicate that a high-fat diet will eventually hit an equilibrium point, where on average stored fat remains constant.

    Personally, I think cutting carbs/insulin gets you 80% of the results. The other stuff like this can lumped in to the other 20% (exercise, stress, nutrient deficiencies, sleep, calories, etc.).

    Think about this: if you couldn't store fat while eating fat (even in caloric excess), you would become fatally dead at 0% body fat.

    Hmmmm...

    Nonetheless, its something interesting to think about and research.

    What If Low Carb Is Wrong? Does ASP Prove That Insulin Doesn

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    Good thing that the Primal Blueprint, at its core, does not advocate Atkins style low carb eating. Primal is only low carb compared to the traditional American garbage diet.

    Anyone that thinks insulin-resistance isn't a festering disease inducing state is not worth listening to....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddoword View Post
    ASP (acylation stimulating protein)

    The jury is still out but nonetheless ASP throws a wrench into the issue of how one could stall on their weight-loss while low-carb but eating... TOO much fat.

    Think about this: if you couldn't store fat while eating fat (even in caloric excess), you would become fatally dead at 0% body fat.

    Hmmmm...

    Something to think about and research.
    The fact that people don't drop dead of this all the time should suggest it is not a big problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eKatherine View Post
    The fact that people don't drop dead of this all the time should suggest it is not a big problem.
    Please stop.

    Been trying to say this for months now, no one here wants to listen, because carb = insulin secretion = fat gain just makes so much sense. Nevermind that dietary fat affects fat cell metabolism without an increase in insulin. Studies show an activation of fat storage despite no increase in insulin, because of ASP, which is activated by the presence of chylomicrons(triglycerides in the bloodstream after consuming food).


    Here you go:

    Similar weight loss with low- or high-carbohydrate diets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derpamix View Post
    Please stop.

    Been trying to say this for months now, no one here wants to listen, because carb = insulin secretion = fat gain just makes so much sense. Nevermind that dietary fat affects fat cell metabolism without an increase in insulin. Studies show an activation of fat storage despite no increase in insulin, because of ASP, which is activated by the presence of chylomicrons(triglycerides in the bloodstream after consuming food).
    Stop what? The original post said people could just drop to 0% bodyfat and then drop dead. Which doesn't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eKatherine View Post
    Stop what? The original post said people could just drop to 0% bodyfat and then drop dead. Which doesn't happen.
    Oh ok, read it another way. My apologies.
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    Weight loss is entirely caloric. It doesn't matter if it's fat, carbs or protein. Excess dietary fat is stored directly as body fat. Excess dietary carbohydrate is converted into fat. Excess dietary protein is converted into glucose which is then converted into fat. If you overeat, you gain weight. Period. It's calories-in-calories-out. Your best bet is to find the foods that keep you fullest longest so you eat the least, or adopt heavy weight training so when you do overeat, you're more likely to gain a better muscle:fat ratio.
    Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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    This is why I'm still fat. *head explodes*

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    Weight loss is entirely caloric. It doesn't matter if it's fat, carbs or protein. Excess dietary fat is stored directly as body fat. Excess dietary carbohydrate is converted into fat. Excess dietary protein is converted into glucose which is then converted into fat. If you overeat, you gain weight. Period. It's calories-in-calories-out. Your best bet is to find the foods that keep you fullest longest so you eat the least, or adopt heavy weight training so when you do overeat, you're more likely to gain a better muscle:fat ratio.
    This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    Weight loss is entirely caloric. It doesn't matter if it's fat, carbs or protein. Excess dietary fat is stored directly as body fat. Excess dietary carbohydrate is converted into fat. Excess dietary protein is converted into glucose which is then converted into fat. If you overeat, you gain weight. Period. It's calories-in-calories-out. Your best bet is to find the foods that keep you fullest longest so you eat the least, or adopt heavy weight training so when you do overeat, you're more likely to gain a better muscle:fat ratio.
    Choco,

    Can you explain your stance on this premise, thanks.

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