Fat Loss : Is it 80% Diet?? page 9

[RichMahogany]

"Strength" is always spesific and there are no garanties for any "carry over effect" from heavy barbell squats to real life situations; there are big ass powerlifter dudes that can't even stabilize their own bodyweight in doing a one legged pistol squat properly. What does that tell us?

It tells us that the pistol squat is a parlor trick. Strength is the most general of fitness adaptations. Who would you want to help you move heavy furniture? Who would you want to have your back in a war zone? A guy who can squat 600 pounds and can't do a pistol, or a skinny guy who can do 10 pistols but maxes out his squats at 185? I know my answer.

[Gorbag]

It tells us that the pistol squat is a parlor trick. Strength is the most general of fitness adaptations. Who would you want to help you move heavy furniture? Who would you want to have your back in a war zone? A guy who can squat 600 pounds and can't do a pistol, or a skinny guy who can do 10 pistols but maxes out his squats at 185? I know my answer.

LOL, this you have from an article of high priest Rippetoe, I am not sure that the best 1 RM squat powerlifter makes the best furniture mover either, or warrior, and I am not talking about skinny dudes versus powerlifters so that's a strawman! Basically strength is always specific, you get better on what you are training for, "the principle of specifity" and you may get some "carry over effect" as well, especially if growing more muscles along the way...

[RichMahogany]

LOL, this you have from an article of high priest Rippetoe, I am not sure that the best 1 RM squat powerlifter makes the best furniture mover either, or warrior, and I am not talking about skinny dudes versus powerlifters so that's a strawman! Basically strength is always specific, you get better on what you are training for, "the principle of specifity" and you may get some "carry over effect" as well, especially if growing more muscles along the way...

Of course strength is a general adaptation. Do you argue obviously wrong things just for the entertainment value?

[Gorbag]

Of course strength is a general adaptation. Do you argue obviously wrong things just for the entertainment value?

Are you starting to troll again? Physiologically a stronger muscle is a muscle that get bigger and there are no general adaption execpt that. So when we are talking about strength in exercise physiology we must also ask the question how do we test the strength, and this is always SPECIFIC! How do we test the strength of the quadriceps? By squats? By leg-extension? One legged legpress? Pick your type of testing and the specialist guys of those movements will get the best results...

[bob loblaw]

If the only discussion here is the OPTIMAL way to add muscle, I'd agree on doing squats, DLs, and Bench Presses.

But is that the discussion? A lot of people just hate the gym. Fine, go for walks, hikes, swim, go to the park and do pull ups, do push-ups. You NEVER have to do squats, deadlifts, or bench presses and you can be perfectly fit. (In fact, you can be extremely fit.) If you are looking for the OPTIMAL way to add msucle, then yes, they are awesome.

I do Deadlifts and bench presses because they make me strong and I LOVE the way I feel after I do them. I do squats because they make me stronger, but I dread doing them. I am strongly considering replacing squats just for that reason. I have no need in my life for things I don't enjoy doing. (And I've given them years of chances...but I've never enjoyed them.)

[Dirlot]

Abs are revealed in the kitchen but built in the gym.
Work hard, eat clean and have fun.

[Knifegill]

Some people in this thread are talking about health. Some are talking about strength. And some are talking about muscle size. And these people are all poking at the invisible places that the other person isn't even arguing. There aren't even any straw men here. Just a few people who are so bad at outlining their thoughts that we're now eight levels deep in miscommunication. It's kind of hilarious, actually. You can't even agree on what you disagree on because your schools of thought are so diverse.

[magnolia1973]

But is that the discussion? A lot of people just hate the gym. Fine, go for walks, hikes, swim, go to the park and do pull ups, do push-ups. You NEVER have to do squats, deadlifts, or bench presses and you can be perfectly fit. (In fact, you can be extremely fit.) If you are looking for the OPTIMAL way to add msucle, then yes, they are awesome.

This.... all day long. In order to be effective, above all, you must DO the exercise. Thank you for reminding me. Most people just need to move. There 8,654,789 ways to exercise. Any that don't land you in a hospital are better than sitting on a couch. Some are more effective than others. If you actually go to Yoga 3 days a week and run 3 days a week, that's a lot better than taking on a weight training program that you hate and won't actually do.

Yeah, if you want a 6 pack, you need a lot more focus in diet and fitness.

[RichMahogany]

Are you starting to troll again?

Yeah, I'm the troll...

Physiologically a stronger muscle is a muscle that get bigger and there are no general adaption execpt that.

Patently false statement from the guy who calls me a troll.

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So when we are talking about strength in exercise physiology we must also ask the question how do we test the strength, and this is always SPECIFIC!

I gave you two ideas for this already. Who do you want by your side in a combat situation? The guy who leg presses all day but lacks the mobility to even get his hands on the bar for the deadlift? Who would you prefer help move your couch up a flight of stairs? You can have the brodude with the "swole" calves in the muscle shirt. I'll have Andy Bolton.

How do we test the strength of the quadriceps? By squats? By leg-extension? One legged legpress? Pick your type of testing and the specialist guys of those movements will get the best results...

I certainly don't purport to know how one tests the strength of a quadriceps. I can only think of meaningful ways of testing the strength of the individual to whom the quadriceps are attached. In your favorite guru Mark Rippetoe's oft-used example: Who can clean more weight, a guy who deadlifts 200 lbs or a guy who deadlifts 500 lbs? The answer is clear and obvious. Are you as confident if we change the word "deadlift" to "leg press?" I'm not.

[sbhikes]

Nobody has to do barbell training. It's kind of a short cut, nothing more.

There are plenty of people in the gym to observe. The girls on the treadmills are skinny like how most girls want to be. The girls on the weights have more definition or else they are fat or body-built. The girls who never pick up a barbell but do either machines and chinups have more defined muscles than I do, but maybe that is only because they are thin enough to do chinups.

I can't tell another woman what is best because I don't think there is a best. I like barbells because of the reward of making progress and because it's a shortcut to strength, but they do not make a fat girl slim and they certainly are not the only way to get strong or healthy.