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    Red meat and cancer

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    There seem to be lots of studies out there saying red meat (beef) directly causes cancer, for example:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4088824.stm

    Sinha, R. et al. “Well-done, grilled red meat increases the risk of colorectal adenomas.” Cancer Research 59.17 (1999): 4320.

    Giovannucci E., Rimm E. B., Stampfer M. J., Colditz G. A., Ascherio A., Willet W. C. Intake of fat, meat and fiber in relation to risk of colon cancer in men. Cancer Res., 54: 2390-2397, 1994.

    Willet W. C., Stampfer M. J., Colditz G. A., Rosner B. A., Speizer F. E. Relation of meat, fat and fiber intake to the risk of colon cancer in a prospective study among women. N. Engl. J. Med., 323: 1664-1672, 1990.

    Kune, Gabriel A. “The Melbourne Colorectal Cancer Study: reflections on a 30-year experience.” The Medical Journal of Australia 193.11-12 (2010): 648-652.

    Tavani, A. et al. “Red meat intake and cancer risk: a study in Italy.” International Journal of Cancer 86.3 (2000): 425-428.

    On a more personal note, my dad used to eat steak almost every day in his 20s, and he developed colon cancer in his late 40s. His surgeon told him it was directly a result of all the red meat he ate. Now he avoids red meat like the plague.

    Various studies also consider bacon to be red meat.

    What is the primal community response to this?
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    When they include hamburger as 'unprocessed meats', I'm not surprised that unprocessed red meat looks bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vibe View Post
    There seem to be lots of studies out there saying red meat (beef) directly causes cancer, for example:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/he...ease.html?_r=0

    Nancy Deville: Follow Up Study to the Red Meat/Cancer Study

    On a more personal note, my dad used to eat steak almost every day in his 20s, and he developed colon cancer in his late 40s. His surgeon told him it was directly a result of all the red meat he ate. Now he avoids red meat like the plague.

    Various studies also consider bacon to be red meat.

    What is the primal community response to this?
    What is your response and what "community" do you represent?

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    "People who ate more red meat were less physically active and more likely to smoke and had a higher body mass index, researchers found."

    ^ ... this?

    The first article is really vague, the second article seems to be critical of the concept.

    MY response is: how can something we were designed to eat cause cancer?
    There are so many other factors involved in how people eat "meat", which is outlined in your second article anyway.

    I love the whole "ZOMG! The fatty stuff in meat and milk products looks like the fatty stuff we find in clogged arteries! UNCANNY! These things must cause cancer and heart attack"

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    Visit my factory meat thread and read the article.

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread79357.html

    If THIS is what they call red meat, then who knows what damage it is causing...

    I will eat the local, pastured, grass-fed stuff, and I will sleep just fine.
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    Not even die-hard paleos need to eat red meat or pork three times a day, cycle the meats and get in some fish and seafood as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vibe View Post
    There seem to be lots of studies out there saying red meat (beef) directly causes cancer, for example:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/he...ease.html?_r=0

    Nancy Deville: Follow Up Study to the Red Meat/Cancer Study

    On a more personal note, my dad used to eat steak almost every day in his 20s, and he developed colon cancer in his late 40s. His surgeon told him it was directly a result of all the red meat he ate. Now he avoids red meat like the plague.

    Various studies also consider bacon to be red meat.

    What is the primal community response to this?
    There is a distinct scent of Troll in the air.

    Any genuine individual would have read the links before posting.

    First is a hyped article about a hyped study, note comment:
    “When you have these numbers in front of you, it’s pretty staggering,” said the study’s lead author, Dr. Frank B. Hu, a professor of medicine at Harvard.
    That's spruiking for money, I'm so good, give me another grant.

    The second is effectively a rebuttal:
    Some 20 or 30 years from now we'll have the results of this ongoing study. Those are the results I'm interested in seeing. In the meantime, I think I'll have steak for dinner tonight.
    Go back to veg land or wherever you come from, if you are an true individual, then use the search function here and spend the next 3 months reading all the relevant threads, studies and study disections before bothering to post anything.
    It's highly unlikely you have an amazing insightful question that hasn't already been asked.

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    Chilly responses, but really: red meat causes cancer? Cows feed various lions and humans - that's their only reason to be. In domesticating them, we've learned to use cow milk. I don't think lions have done that yet, but if there's a video, I'd love to watch it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoanieL View Post
    Chilly responses, but really: red meat causes cancer? Cows feed various lions and humans - that's their only reason to be. In domesticating them, we've learned to use cow milk. I don't think lions have done that yet, but if there's a video, I'd love to watch it.
    Did you read the second article?

    Chilly response may be a bit too soft, Absolute Zero may be more appropriate, it was a silly post by OP, to post a link they didn't bother to read.

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    It has also been found that more people in tornado alley are red meat eaters. The only conclusion is of course that red meat causes tornado's.

    "People who ate more red meat were less physically active and more likely to smoke and had a higher body mass index"

    "The fear of red meat started right after WWII, when scientists observed that the incidence of heart disease was low in occupied Europe after WWII at a time when Europeans were eating less cholesterol (meat, dairy, eggs). Never mind that sugar, flour, alcohol, cigarettes, and gas were scarce after the war and so people were eating less sugar and refined white flour, drinking and smoking less and walking more"

    I guess you can believe what you want to believe. Let me see. I'm not eating refined carbohydrates, I'm not smoking or drinking alcohol and I'm more physically active. Ah-ha, There is less heart disease because everyone is eating less red meat. Embarrassing really.

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