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    Is ketosis necessary?

    I want to become fat adapted but every time I try I feel miserable for weeks. Right now I am trying to get to a place where I don't crave my old favorites, but can occasionally indulge without binging. I also want to drop about 5lbs. I was eating about 25 carbs a day for 3 weeks. This helped kick the cravings but I was so tired all the time and I'm in opera rehearsal 4 hours a day- I can't feel that tired anymore. I upped my carbs to around 50g and feel a little better, though cravings are a little stronger. If I up my carbs, will I lose my fat burning ability? I'm somewhat active, weights twice a week and walking about 3 hours a week.

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    Have you read the book or the free stuff on MDA?

    Here ya go:Ketosis in a Low-Carb Diet | Mark's Daily Apple

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    Yes I have I'm just confused on a good carb range to be a fat burner and tip top function without feeling doggy. I think I'm getting confused with information from Atkins.

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    Dont focus on Ketosis unless you want to challenge yourself, or break a plateau. I'd say up the carbs if your tired, this isn't strictly a weight loss diet, it's a health diet designed to make you an optimal human being. If you are tired all the time, something needs to change. Some days I stay really low carb, and other days I add sweet potatoes to my dinner. You just need to figure out what works for you.

    I still have plenty of weight to loose, but I'm determined to use whole nutrition to get there and not quick fixes. Ketosis might get me there quicker, but I know I'll feel better if I up the carbs. You'll still loose weight, just maybe not at the same pace. Keep it under a 100grams and you'll probably be fine.

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    Unless you have some metabolic problem or are obese, then there's no reason for you to go on a ketogenic diet. Losing/gaining weight is still a matter of calories.

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    I feel fantastic on either complete ketosis (LOTS of fat, keep the protein moderate to low), or with about 100 grams of carbs each day. If I go somewhere in the middle, it feels like I'm stuck in the gray area between being fully keto-adapted and not at all. I have been in ketosis for about three weeks and and have gotten more lean/muscular than I have ever been. The food gets boring, but the steady energy levels are great. I'll do it until I stop leaning out and then probably test the waters with more carbs around workout to see if I can maintain it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aeriel View Post
    Yes I have I'm just confused on a good carb range to be a fat burner and tip top function without feeling doggy. I think I'm getting confused with information from Atkins.
    The carbohydrate curve works for me.
    How many carbs should I eat each day? | Mark's Daily Apple

    I like to stay in the 50-150g range on a day to day basis with some days coming in at the <50g range. And nowadays I have no problem fasting near 24hrs and going for an hour run before breaking fast.

    With that said, I gradually moved into it, going from a high carb diet and gradually decreasing my intake and had no carb-flu during the process.

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    No.

    In my experience, if you focus on satisfaction and calories you can't go wrong. Cutting the carbs can help reduce calories temporarily to drop weight if you need to, but it isn't a necessity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darz View Post
    Unless you have some metabolic problem or are obese, then there's no reason for you to go on a ketogenic diet. Losing/gaining weight is still a matter of calories.
    That might be true, but being keto-adapted makes it easier for a person to tolerate fewer calories. It has also been clearly shown to better allow nutrient partitioning (burn fat and build muscle at the same time). Calories do matter, but a ketogenic diet changes the amount of calories that your body demands, and also changes your body's willingness to let go of fat. I don't think you have to do it to lose weight, but if you want to finish off the last few pounds, or lose a lot of fat fast, it is hard to beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Scientist View Post
    That might be true, but being keto-adapted makes it easier for a person to tolerate fewer calories. It has also been clearly shown to better allow nutrient partitioning (burn fat and build muscle at the same time). Calories do matter, but a ketogenic diet changes the amount of calories that your body demands, and also changes your body's willingness to let go of fat. I don't think you have to do it to lose weight, but if you want to finish off the last few pounds, or lose a lot of fat fast, it is hard to beat.
    Interesting, is it possible to get som more information about that?

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