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    Quote Originally Posted by YogaBare View Post
    I really don't want you to go back to depriving yourself. I've done it for 13 years: food and being skinny have ruled my life. I may be heavier now than I've ever been before, but I never want to go back to that mindset. The amount of time I've wasted looking in the mirror criticising myself is just so wrong.
    I finally got to this point, too! Amen!

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    Double post. This keeps happening lately!
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    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontwisst View Post
    I'm up a couple more pounds having weighed in this morning, but TOM is due to start in a day or two and I indulged a bit in some Indian buffet deliciousness last night (been a looong time), so I was completely expecting it. No big deal. I know it's all water, since I'm pretty tuned in to what the symptoms of excess water look like on me...to that end, I got another appointment with the internal specialist on the 19th to see what he recommends next as far as dealing with my full-body edema...it's going on nine months now without answers...so frustrating.

    The last week, though, I found myself disinterested in eating as much, and I haven't been. I'm going to make a more conscious effort to get my intake up again this week because I'm into this a month now, so there's no point in going half-assed and having it get me next to nowhere as far as healing my metabolism.

    My sleep this past week has also been really crappy...I was at the point the week before where I was sleeping like the dead through the night. This week, not at all. I've been waking up many times a night (the mister has been sleeping very restlessly, though, too and with his predisposition to steal the whole damn duvet and thrash around and elbow me, it's no bloody wonder), been way too goddamn hot (window's been open and the thermostat is never above 18C at night) and just feeling worn out during the day as a result. Not optimal. The only thing I can think of that's been different is I started a daily squat challenge on the 1st with some girlfriends and am doing a couple hundred squats a day...but they aren't leaving me feeling overexerted or sore or anything, so I don't think I can lay the blame there. I have been working out a bit most weeks, doing some free weight and bodyweight exercises a couple times a week. I haven't gotten a lot of slow movement in lately, other than standing at my desk while I work and the natural constant movement that goes along with that. I'm hoping the weather will stop sucking (Leida knows what I'm talking about, we just got a giant dump of snow here overnight) and I plan to start getting out more in the afternoons/evenings, even if it's just for a jaunt around the block.

    My morning temp is still up there (for me), it bounced around between 97.7 and 98.1 this past week. One weird thing I noticed this morning, though - the right side under my tongue was 97.7...the left side registered 96.9. I tested both sides twice, same thing. And I've noticed a few times later this morning that I can feel the difference in temp on the left side (feeling with my tongue) over the right. It's so weird.

    Anyhow...things are still going relatively well for me, so I plan to keep at it, despite feeling fluffier and squishier than ever and like I'm stuffed into my clothes most days. I know it's temporary, and I'm looking forward to getting my metabolic issues handled. The weight will come off with time, I know this.

    Hope the rest of you are keeping well
    That sounds great Lemontwist And it seems like you're in a good head space. I've actually had three shit nights sleep in a row now as well! My energy is through the roof now though, after two weeks of complete lethargy, so I'm guessing it has something to do with that. It's interesting...

    My appetite has also diminished on average, but some days I'm still eating a ton. I'm always over 2K. Anyway, I'm going with it - I feel that I need to listen to the rhythms of my body instead of trying to control it mentally.

    I've been keeping a journal here on MDA tracking my progress so I'm hoping in a few weeks I'll be able to look back and see patterns etc. If you're not tracking anything I really recommend it - I'm finding it invaluable.

    Oh yeah, I second the walks! I've got a dog to walk at the moment and it's been getting me out, and every day I noticed i was going for longer and longer. I think walking is a great way to get fit if you're a bit fragile (which I'm realising that I was).
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Quote Originally Posted by healthy11 View Post
    I finally got to this point, too! Amen!
    That's amazing - good for you! I'm still a work-in-progress but - there is progress
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Hi everyone - Glad to see people still at it, though there are some struggles...

    My "binging" still seems to be under control, or gone, or in remission, or whatever... I do feel heavier though, which I'm struggling with mentally. The other day my ass felt like it was going to burst out of my jeans, but that only lasted a day or two, as my appetite has been slowly decreasing and I've been eating a little less / cutting way back on alcohol, sugar, etc. (or maybe my jeans stretched out! THE HORROR). I don't know, when I look down at myself, I feel like I look exactly the same, but in the mirror I feel heavy. I've been slowly trying to come around to your mindset, YogaBare. I understand it rationally, but not as a brainwashed young woman.

    I am never hungry in the mornings anymore. I realize that if I don't force myself to eat breakfast, I get more anxious about food / eat way more at night, so I try to force breakfast on myself. Sometimes I just don't have it in me, though. I also make sure that I drink some extra calories (coconut milk) at some point during the day if I don't have the gumption to actually eat. I'm a bit tired and apathetic at this point, though that might not be entirely food related. PaleoMom, I've been following your new thread and the tip about salted water really helped me out. Coconut water seems to be helping too, in terms of mitigating sluggishness.

    I'm trying to focus on the big picture here. The anxiety I feel towards food has decreased significantly. I'm no longer afraid of being out and not being able to find food (food at restaurants seem to always make me sick so I try to avoid it. Gluten/dairy allergies...) because my body knows it has a ton of energy and it will get more soon enough. I think that's all I can really ask for.

    Cheers
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    Heya,

    My low cal day when I was logging was not due to ED, it was following the Ultimate Diet regimen that required 50% caloric deficit. And let me tell you, only by the skin of my teeth I could do it, not because I am anorexic and just can't force myself to eat more than that.

    As for my eating to satiation, well, I have a strong fullness signal, but I do want to eat above maintenance, which is as far as I understand is normal for a human being. My hunger signal did not change from when I was thinner. I am hungry in the morning, and a few times a day. The more active I am, the hungrier I get. We are evolved that way, to try to store fat when food is available. We are expecting the periodic scarcity. So, yeah, for me to not gain weight slowly if I eat to satiation, I need to periodically starve, like our ancestors did. I think this is not a sign of disorder, but actually a sign of perfect health.

    Now, I am think that this eat more, and lose weight approach is valid for those folks who cannot lose weight when they reduce calories. That signals methabolic dysfunction. I eat more - I gain weight, I eat less, I lose weight. Which is iirc super-healthy.

    I don't want to be super-thin, like 110 lbs; I abandoned all hope that lifting will give me athletic build and that I can LGN. I am too weak athletically to achieve that. I do want to go back to 120's, and wear my clothes. As of now, I can't wear any of my pants, and I don't like it. I don't plan to experience the extreme hunger and extreme super-load like with the UD, but just enough to lose these 10-15 lbs and be back to my 'oh, you are not fat' self, soft, but Okay looking dressed.
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    I have been having the most interesting experience while trying to follow the alternate day fasting thing. It's not really fasting but alternating days of high and low calorie consumption.

    I keep having my weight go up after a low cal day and down after a high cal day(??????)

    This is making me think that you all might be on to something here.

    So now I'm going to try it on the high side all the time and see what happens. My way of keeping a lid on the calories is that I've been eating Warrior Diet style for quite a while now so there is a limit to what you can pig out on in one meal.

    I'm also sticking with my animal products centered diet which I really like. Very satiating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleobird View Post
    I have been having the most interesting experience while trying to follow the alternate day fasting thing. It's not really fasting but alternating days of high and low calorie consumption.

    I keep having my weight go up after a low cal day and down after a high cal day(??????)

    This is making me think that you all might be on to something here.

    So now I'm going to try it on the high side all the time and see what happens. My way of keeping a lid on the calories is that I've been eating Warrior Diet style for quite a while now so there is a limit to what you can pig out on in one meal.

    I'm also sticking with my animal products centered diet which I really like. Very satiating.
    This reminds me of an odd period of my life when I was 6 months until about 12 months postpartum. It was one of the few times in my life I wasn't trying to restrict my food because the baby weight always came off easy and took some extra with it. So at this time I would swing between two states: ravenous hunger, which I gave in to, along with weight loss, followed by an almost non existent hunger and no weight loss or sometimes a gain. Unfortunately, this 6 month period of cycling ended with a gain and then stopped but it sure was interesting and had me scratching my head over the idea of CICO.

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    Hey everyone,

    Well, I came to the end of four weeks of "eating a ton" and it felt like the right time to stop. I thought you might be interested to hear my final stats...

    Fad Duration:
    17th March - 12th April => 27 Days

    Calories consumed:
    Total: 83784 cals. On average, 3103.1 cals per day.

    Exercise:
    During this period I probably walked for an hour a day and did yoga for 45 mins a day. But there was a good 10 days when I did nothing.

    Weight:
    I only weighed myself a few times throughout the process: at the start, mid way, and at the end. Unfortunately the mid way weigh ins were on a different set of scales, but the start and end scales were the same.

    Starting weight: 60.5 Kgs (133 lbs)
    Mid weight: 64 kgs (141 lbs)
    End weight: 61.5 Kgs (135.2lbs....!)

    I couldn't believe it when I stepped on the scales on the morning of April the 13th and saw that from start to end, I only gained 2.2lbs. It didn't seem possible.

    Change in my measurements:
    Thighs and waist: No change
    Lower thighs: lost a little
    Hips: gained half an inch
    Chest: gained a full inch (yay!)
    Stomach: gained a full inch ()

    There are a few options:

    1) The scales I weighed myself on mid-way were wrong, and my weight didn't change for the duration of the experiment
    2) I lost the weight I gained very rapidly (I suspect this might be it)
    3) I lost muscle and gained fat (I don't think this is the case as I'm stronger than before and have more visible muscle)

    Here's my Calorie Breakdown:
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    As you can see, after a mid-point, my calorie consumption began to decrease. I always ate however much I wanted - just went with the flow of my appetite. After a certain point, this resulted in cycling calories. I only went under 2K cals once.

    Does this mean my metabolism improved? In the past, 2k cals was a huge amount of food to me, and would definitely make me gain. Now I'm anticipating that I'll be losing on 2K cals a day. It will be interesting to keep following this and see what happens. I'm sure some of the CICO people (if they've bothered reading this) will have something to say...

    In addition to the nourishment factor, this experiment has helped me enormously with some of my food hang ups and has taught me that the most important thing in diet is to know and listen to the rhythms of your body.

    Big ups to Paleomom for being a visionary and starting this inspirational N=1!
    Last edited by YogaBare; 04-15-2013 at 09:47 AM.
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Wow, great results, YogaBare! Just out of curiosity, what are you planning to do now? Are you going back to some kind of restriction? I ask because I'm wondering if I should start restricting again (at least a little). Last time I checked, I had only gained one pound since I stopped restricting (I haven't been making an effort to eat a ton, just ate to satiation, which I guess is a ton by normal standards, but I haven't been counting calories at all so have no idea how much I've been eating). Although I haven't gained much weight, I haven't lost any either, and my clothes continue to not fit well. So I really need to lose weight, and it looks like working out alone is not working this time around. I'm not sure what the hell is wrong with me. Upping workouts has always worked for me in the past.

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