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    Quote Originally Posted by YogaBare View Post
    thanks guys You know, what got me freaking out was not so much the weight gain, as waking up this morning and seeing that a few wrinkles were deeper. Then I read this:



    And I started wondering if this is why I feel worse. I've been having terrible night sweats, and have been peeing non-stop.

    Granted, it comes off one of those alkaline diet sites, but it kind of makes sense... Although I suppose it comes back to the "is it better to over-eat or under-eat" question. I should make a thread about that...

    What do you think?
    I actually feel like I'm eliminating waste more efficiently and quicker now than before, which should be a good sign that I'm not building up waste. Wrinkles are caused by cell damage that can't be repaired. When we aren't eating enough our bodies can't spare the energy to do repairs, that can only make outward signs of aging worse, yes? When there is a surplus of nutrition and energy the body can do all the vanity repairs it wants without sacrificing the more essential functions in the body. There is a balance here, I don't think that digesting 10,000 calories a day would be good for us, but I also don't think under nourishing our bodies does it any good.

    I know this is really hard right now. Gaining weight really, really sucks. I do think this is what has to happen to get to the other side. I think those of us who have deprived our bodies the most will have the hardest time with this stage. Here is a link that is a good pep talk for us at this time:

    Your Eatopia - Blog - Phases of Recovery From A Restrictive Eating*Disorder

    I look at my two girls and it inspires me to keep going. I want them to see a healthy happy mom with a healthy relationship with food. I also see how healthy they are (and skinny) eating mountains of healthy food and with morning temps averaging around 99.2 - if only I had their genes....

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontwisst View Post
    Pretty much this. Until I see some marked improvements such as regaining the colour in my face, better condition to my skin, hair and nails and a body temp above 98.0 on a consistent basis, at the very least.
    I definitely improved my metabolism through overeating, but since my thyroid was likely already struggling before I went low carb, diet alone wasn't enough to fix it. For most of my adult life, my body temp was in the 96s. After the high carb overeating stint, it averaged in the 97s. I wasn't able to get it to break 98 until I started supplementing with a thyroid glandular a few weeks ago.

    In case you are interested, it's something I ordered from iHerb called Raw Thyroid. I'm sure there are other brands available on various websites, but this is the one I've been using:

    Natural Sources, Raw Thyroid, 90 Capsules - iHerb.com

    Also been using Niacinamide, which has given me a great boost of energy. Not sure exactly how it affects thyroid, but with such low body temps, I'd guess energy is an issue for you, too (I think you mentioned not wanting to get out of bed?) This is the one I'm using, and I take it about 3-4 times a day:


    Nature's Way, Niacinamide, 500 mg, 100 Capsules - iHerb.com

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    “Niacinamide, one of the B vitamins, provides energy to the mitochondrial system. Under stress and strong excitation, cells waste niacinamide NADH, but niacinamide itself has a sedative antiexcitatory effect, and some of its actions resemble a hormone. Estrogen tends to interfere with the formation of niacin from tryptophan. Tryptophan, rather than forming the sedative niacin (pyridine carboxylic acid), can be directed toward formation of the excitatory quinolinic acid (pyridine dicarboxylic acid) by polyunsaturated fats. Excitation must be in balance with a cell’s energetic resources, and niacinamide can play multiple protective roles, decreasing excitation, increasing energy production, and stabilizing repair systems. The stat of excitation and type of energy metabolism are crucial factors in governing cell functions and survival.”

    Niacinamide is awesome.
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    The past two days, I've been eating (primally) more than usual - two extra meatballs here; a banana there. Not overeating, but eating until truly full, and not the "stop before you're full" point that we've all been taught since first dieting/learning portion control.

    Today I'm a quarter inch less in my hips and more than half a pound less on the scale.

    Yeah, I'm digging this "If you're hungry, eat" advice!

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    everyone is different. that is the thing. I am 5'10" and my average weight my whole adult life has been around 135. I have been as low as 125 (during times of stress) and as high as 147 (during times of inactivity). A lot of people envy my lean frame, but if I do not exercise in some form or fashion, I WILL gain weight. That said, I have never eaten a lot of processed food and definitely not junk food. I am on a quest to gain muscle, something I have never had much luck at, and it is a challenge.

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    I started eating to fullness in November-December. Last time I looked I went from mid-120's to mid 130's of ugly belly and thighs increases (I am 5'6 and 1/2" with pronounced pear shape). I might be seeing some improvements now, but I got so traumatized by that weight increase, that after a while I just put the scale away, and I can't summon any desire to step on it. Bigger clothes fit, smaller clothes do not. I think the size of the belly started decreasing now, but who knows. I will only believe that it was beneficial if my small clothes start fitting well again. Then I will go on the scale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoMom View Post
    ...if only I had their genes....
    You DO...where do you think they got those genes from? Only trouble is, the way your genes are expressing themselves is flawed, because the mechanism(s) through which they do so isn't functioning optimally.

    @BestBetter - I take a B Complex each day that has 100mg of Niacinamide; no stranger to B vit supps (also take 2500mcg B12 daily). I don't notice much energy change whether I'm taking the B complex or not.
    As for the Raw Thyroid - according to the labs taken and reviewed by the internal specialist I've seen for some of my problems, my TSH, T3 and T4 levels are all where they should be, so I'm hesitant to start taking something that at best will do nothing for me or, at worst, exacerbate some of the other problems I'm trying to determine the cause of. I will be in to see him again some time in April and plan to discuss thyroid issues in greater details with him then (including asking to have free and reverse T3 tested since they haven't been already) and once I have those answers, I may look into it more.

    @Leida...I saw the photos you posted of yourself on the Fitness forum and, quite honestly, you are being impossibly hard on yourself. I see plenty of definition on your 'ugly belly', and your 'pronounced pear shape' is how I think a childbearing woman's body should look. I think you look strong and capable. The scale weight is just a bloody number...it doesn't define who we are or what we can do.

    Thinking on all this so far this morning, I find I don't give a sh*t if the scale keeps going up right now...I know it can't indefinitely. I've weighed over 340lbs before, and I know I'm not abusing myself to the point where I would ever get there again. I might never get rid of all the loose, saggy skin and fat on my butt and thighs (of which there is plenty; leftovers from that extreme kind of obesity) or wear a bikini, but so what? My body graciously does what I ask of it, so I just want to make sure it's healthy and functioning as well as it can, and what the scale says becomes irrelevant.

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    I was like 15-17 lbs lighter on the pics I took ~ 115-118 lbs. I am 130 + now, not sure if I crested 135 or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoMom View Post
    I actually feel like I'm eliminating waste more efficiently and quicker now than before, which should be a good sign that I'm not building up waste. Wrinkles are caused by cell damage that can't be repaired. When we aren't eating enough our bodies can't spare the energy to do repairs, that can only make outward signs of aging worse, yes? When there is a surplus of nutrition and energy the body can do all the vanity repairs it wants without sacrificing the more essential functions in the body. There is a balance here, I don't think that digesting 10,000 calories a day would be good for us, but I also don't think under nourishing our bodies does it any good.

    I know this is really hard right now. Gaining weight really, really sucks. I do think this is what has to happen to get to the other side. I think those of us who have deprived our bodies the most will have the hardest time with this stage. Here is a link that is a good pep talk for us at this time:

    Your Eatopia - Blog - Phases of Recovery From A Restrictive Eating*Disorder

    I look at my two girls and it inspires me to keep going. I want them to see a healthy happy mom with a healthy relationship with food. I also see how healthy they are (and skinny) eating mountains of healthy food and with morning temps averaging around 99.2 - if only I had their genes....
    You know, you're actually right. I've struggled with IBS for quite a number of years, but since I started this in earnest I've been really regular. I appreciate the theory behind what we're doing... it's just scary when you read conflicting info

    Thanks for that article - it's amazing. And yes, the goal is to have a healthy relationship with food. I guess there will always be some resistance to this. I have to keep reminding myself that my junk food bing in jan put me off eating crap! I'm hoping this "no limits" approach to food will normalise my woe.

    Out of interest, how are you gaining weight? I measured my hips and they have stayed the same, but my belly and breasts keep growing..!
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leida View Post
    I started eating to fullness in November-December. Last time I looked I went from mid-120's to mid 130's of ugly belly and thighs increases (I am 5'6 and 1/2" with pronounced pear shape). I might be seeing some improvements now, but I got so traumatized by that weight increase, that after a while I just put the scale away, and I can't summon any desire to step on it. Bigger clothes fit, smaller clothes do not. I think the size of the belly started decreasing now, but who knows. I will only believe that it was beneficial if my small clothes start fitting well again. Then I will go on the scale.
    Hey Leida, Funnily enough - I also started doing this in November! But I didn't commit to it properly, ended up on a junk food binge, then stopped, started eating to fullness, then started calorie cycling, restricting again, queue binge. (Wrote about it in detail a few pages back). I'm committing to it properly this time. I gained 16 lbs since starting Primal, then lost 6 when I started to cycle calories, and started freaking a few days ago that I was putting them back on. Anyway, in short - I feel your pain, and I'm wishing you all the best.

    You mentioned belly increases - weirdly I'm only really seeing weight gain in this area (and boobs), everything else seems to be staying the same... And oddly, my upper abs are actually getting more defined! Wonder why that is? A few people said to me that when they started Primal they didn't lose weight but their bodies changed... maybe this is what they're referring to... different distribution of weight.
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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