What can I do for carb cravings like bread and sweet? page 3

[j3nn]

I think carbs are too often wrongly implicated as the sole cause for metabolic dysfunction. While certain sources of them may have contributed to problems, I find it frustrating when people are quick to glaze over the dozens of confounding variables, such as high polyunsaturated fat consumption, poor quality meats, soy, rancid vegetable oils, metals and other toxins, low intake of b12 and other nutrients from animal products, vitamin d, stress, and general displaced nutrients. CHO has gotten a bad rep just like fats have because of the industrial oils that are poisoning people slowly, which the mainstream is still largely ignorant to.

I think it's time for an intellectually honest conversation about specific foods and nutrients as opposed to disingenuous talking points and selective studies and anecdotes about entire macronutrients.

[Ayla2010]

I apologize for the ad hominem, but you really do try my patience. The damage to my metabolism and any issues I have had with alcohol took place during the first 6 decades of my life. During this time, my diet was very low fat high carb in an attempt to comply with CW guidance from my Doc as he was especially concerned about my LDL-C. My new HFVLC diet is only 6 months old. Hopefully you can see that my current diet did not contribute to my IR or any other medical condition I may have. To the contrary, I have never felt better in my life. I can only imagine what my BG was after my typical breakfast comprising grapefruit juice, oatmeal w/dried sweetened cranberries, banana and vanilla Greek yogurt. I wasn't measuring back then, but I would say it had to peak at well over 200 and it stayed there most of the day as I scarfed down bagels, apples, whole wheat bread, pasta and lots of cereal with skim milk. During those 6 decades I gained and lost 20-30 lbs 5 times and I was always hungry and always eating. For the last 6 months my weight has been rock steady, I eat 3 meals per day with no desire to snack or binge on sugar/alcohol and I have great energy for an old guy.

My story is similar to yours.
But it was a mix of bingeing on crap, and periods of LFHC, so I can't specifically blame either. I just say its my past eating issues that has caused my high insulin. Not 3 months of LC.
And overall I do feel great, so just one day at a time with this stuff really.

[Ayla2010]

Apology accepted. Im glad your current diet is working for you and hope that it continues to do so. Know that the things i recommend are worlds apart from your former diet and probably why you and others get so irritated when i post is because you conjure up an image of your old diet when you read me talk about higher carbs. There is very good science behind what i say and i certainly dont expect anyone to drop the eggs and steak and pick up a bagel and bag of chips. All im saying is that a lot of people seem to be convinced that carbs are the enemy of health when anything could be further from the truth. Processed foods, high in carb, fat and chemicals are the enemy. Fruits and vegetables are not. Even you, who seems to be doing well on a VLC diet could do better with some added carbs, i didnt say would, but could. So try not to get so angry if someone says something that goes against what you believe, down the road it could turn out to be true.

Yes this is quite true, but for me I was doing a mix of both that, and HCLF so I can't blame either really with certainty. I know I have said it must have been carbs, but I do now think it was more so the up and down of the 2 things, plus the weight up and down.

HFLC has given me a new lease on life though, and stopped my bingeing (would that have happened regardless eventually? I don't know, but I am so grateful) Being out of control like that was awful.
I am not saying I will never increase my starchy carbs, but I will judge each day by how I feel.

[Black Timber]

Apology accepted. Im glad your current diet is working for you and hope that it continues to do so. Know that the things i recommend are worlds apart from your former diet and probably why you and others get so irritated when i post is because you conjure up an image of your old diet when you read me talk about higher carbs. There is very good science behind what i say and i certainly dont expect anyone to drop the eggs and steak and pick up a bagel and bag of chips. All im saying is that a lot of people seem to be convinced that carbs are the enemy of health when anything could be further from the truth. Processed foods, high in carb, fat and chemicals are the enemy. Fruits and vegetables are not. Even you, who seems to be doing well on a VLC diet could do better with some added carbs, i didnt say would, but could. So try not to get so angry if someone says something that goes against what you believe, down the road it could turn out to be true.

Zach, The problem with your science is that it is all based on theories with some facts mixed in. In fact just about all total nutrition science plans have a great deal of theories being passed off as truths. Including the low carbohydrate plans. For every "good science" paper you can come up with, someone else can match it with another that will totally contradict what you are describing as the "best diet". It is all too easy to prove to yourself anything you want, by only believing what you want to believe. You get totally incensed when everyone doesn't believe you but to tell you the truth, you are being very closed minded because of your own personal/anecdotal evidence. For me, I like things to be more moderate. There is no way that there is one set of Macro percentages that is "the best". Never was, never will be. Some days I end up High Fat and others I end up High carb. From my perspective, as long as you are avoiding "foods" that contain toxins and those that nearly everyone knows could be a problem, I'm probably doing ok.

There is no right answer!

[Ayla2010]

I think carbs are too often wrongly implicated as the sole cause for metabolic dysfunction. While certain sources of them may have contributed to problems, I find it frustrating when people are quick to glaze over the dozens of confounding variables, such as high polyunsaturated fat consumption, poor quality meats, soy, rancid vegetable oils, metals and other toxins, low intake of b12 and other nutrients from animal products, vitamin d, stress, and general displaced nutrients. CHO has gotten a bad rep just like fats have because of the industrial oils that are poisoning people slowly, which the mainstream is still largely ignorant to.

I think it's time for an intellectually honest conversation about specific foods and nutrients as opposed to disingenuous talking points and selective studies and anecdotes about entire macronutrients.

I do agree this has a huge role to play.

[Ayla2010]

Zach, The problem with your science is that it is all based on theories with some facts mixed in. In fact just about all total nutrition science plans have a great deal of theories being passed off as truths. Including the low carbohydrate plans. For every "good science" paper you can come up with, someone else can match it with another that will totally contradict what you are describing as the "best diet". It is all too easy to prove to yourself anything you want, by only believing what you want to believe. You get totally incensed when everyone doesn't believe you but to tell you the truth, you are being very closed minded because of your own personal/anecdotal evidence. For me, I like things to be more moderate. There is no way that there is one set of Macro percentages that is "the best". Never was, never will be. Some days I end up High Fat and others I end up High carb. From my perspective, as long as you are avoiding "foods" that contain toxins and those that nearly everyone knows could be a problem, I'm probably doing ok.

There is no right answer!

Yes I agree.
But when I post my experience it can't possibly be right. Surely a persons experience counts for something?

[Zach]

Zach, The problem with your science is that it is all based on theories with some facts mixed in. In fact just about all total nutrition science plans have a great deal of theories being passed off as truths. Including the low carbohydrate plans. For every "good science" paper you can come up with, someone else can match it with another that will totally contradict what you are describing as the "best diet". It is all too easy to prove to yourself anything you want, by only believing what you want to believe. You get totally incensed when everyone doesn't believe you but to tell you the truth, you are being very closed minded because of your own personal/anecdotal evidence. For me, I like things to be more moderate. There is no way that there is one set of Macro percentages that is "the best". Never was, never will be. Some days I end up High Fat and others I end up High carb. From my perspective, as long as you are avoiding "foods" that contain toxins and those that nearly everyone knows could be a problem, I'm probably doing ok.

There is no right answer!

Yep and i have said everythin you just said multiple times over. I completely agree and i dont think you can find a post where i say everyone would do well on a high carb/low fat diet. That is exactly why i only post in threads where people are having problems with very low carb. It is others who push philosophies on me that they assume i have, to make themselves feel better about what they are doing.

[sunsis]

1 banana, 2 eggs = banana pancake! nomnomnom.