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    Primal Diet vs. Sustainability

    Assuming that all the benefits you ascribe to eating a primal diet are accurate, have you considered the macro effects on world nutritional levels if this diet was to be globally implemented? Many would argue that current population levels are unsustainable even given a universal grain based diet*. Given that it takes 6 grams of plant protein to produce one gram of animal protein, even if the entire worlds grain production was diverted to growing feed for livestock and vegetables for humans, massive starvation would result. The cost of meat and dairy products would skyrocket, oceans would soon be depleted of edible creatures, the disparity between rich and poor would widen to even greater levels, food riots would erupt and the social disruption would exceed anything depicted in the most apocalyptical disaster movie.

    *Sustainability of meat-based and plant-based diets and the environment

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    Thanks for the vegan propaganda full of erroneous assumptions. Eating this way gives us good reason to like what we see when we look in the mirror, both literally and figuratively.

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    Gerry- your point? Since conventional wisdom pretty much has a stranglehold on the general population, and most people when told about Primal/Paleo respond with some variant of "But I couldn't live without bread or pasta!" I don't think there's a lot of concern.
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    I agree, it's probably not a rational worry but interesting to note that, like many other things, what is obviously good for the individual may be harmful for society as a whole. I am reminded of the fact that while saving, spending wisely, and avoiding debt is manifestly good advice for the individual, if practiced by every American would result in plunging GDP levels and a deflationary depression (consumer spending makes up the majority of US GDP.) Perhaps when such dichotomies occur we should immediately suspect some sort of dysfunction with society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GerryM View Post
    I agree, it's probably not a rational worry but interesting to note that, like many other things, what is obviously good for the individual may be harmful for society as a whole
    Building entire ecosystems back up where the monocrops and fertilizers have eaten the topsoil to nothing would be harmful to society? I don't agree with the premise is my point, Sir. That's one of the many reasons a lot of us know our farmers, and like to meet our meat while it's still mooing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GerryM View Post
    I agree, it's probably not a rational worry but interesting to note that, like many other things, what is obviously good for the individual may be harmful for society as a whole. I am reminded of the fact that while saving, spending wisely, and avoiding debt is manifestly good advice for the individual, if practiced by every American would result in plunging GDP levels and a deflationary depression (consumer spending makes up the majority of US GDP.) Perhaps when such dichotomies occur we should immediately suspect some sort of dysfunction with society.
    That is an excellent point.
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    I've been thinking about this some. In every similar discussion I've seen, it's always been a question of how much GRAIN cows and such eat, compared to the nutrition of eating meat. Wouldn't it make a huge difference if the majority of the cows/animals were GRASS fed, instead, as primal and paleo recommend? Grass can be grown on almost any earth surface, and cows or other ruminants are ideal users of this grass. This food is basically free, and is not edible by humans. Hence, meat grown this way would be an extra, free food.

    There does remain a problem of water. I have never seen a discussion of how much water a cow uses, compared to a similar nutritional value of grain.

    Raising cows also does not require anywhere close to the amount of pesticides or tractor/gas usage that growing grain requires.

    Also, because meats and vegetables are far more nutritious than grains, our bodies require far less of them to live well.

    All in all, I think the whole grain versus meat leading to starvation question is much overblown, with grass-fed meats very probably taking the upper hand in nutrition for the masses, if done on a large scale.

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    Don't we have too many people already? Isn't the world population already decreasing? What's wrong with that?

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    I thinks so many vegans are intent on eating like CAFO animals I suggest we start with them .

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    thanks for the information this is very helpful for me.

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