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    Low carb + lower fat

    Something I have been wondering about is having meals like this:
    Leaner protein, cooked in a little fat, ie coconut oil or ghee, with a large green leafy salad. Or grill the meat so it doesn't need add fat.
    Maybe the occasional starchy carbs.

    Because this would be lower in fat than what I was eating before (around 70-75%). I don't know the exact macro break down of a meal like this though. But eating something like this 3 x per day (sorta like the whole 30 rules I guess, but really little added fat).

    How would your body run on lower fat and lower carb? Cos it has to run off one or the other right?
    Would this be when it starts to burn stored fat?
    Some stuff about all this I still don't understand.

    This diabetes diagnosis has given me a real shake up, and I want to think about what I am doing. I don't want to count macros etc, because it makes me obsess and its not a good place for me to be in.

    This is coming from someone who has 100-110 lbs to lose.

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    So protein would make up the bulk of your calories at this point? Just be aware that your liver can actually only process a certain amount of protein daily, the max being determined largely by the liver's size. So smaller people generally have a lower maximum.

    However, if you feel good eating this way, then why question it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumroll View Post
    So protein would make up the bulk of your calories at this point? Just be aware that your liver can actually only process a certain amount of protein daily, the max being determined largely by the liver's size. So smaller people generally have a lower maximum.

    However, if you feel good eating this way, then why question it?
    No, I am not talking huge amounts of protein, I guess palm size at each meal, I guess id have to count just to see what the rough amount is.

    I do feel good eating how I am now, but I have just been diagnosed with diabetes. I went to the Dr due to slow weight loss. Its been way too long ive been obese (put more info in my other thread).

    I NEED to get some weight off. I am truly getting desperate at the moment. For my health, and this high insulin level (which the dr says causes slow, or lack of weight loss). And for my children. I cant be this huge mummy dropping my oldest at school everyday. It is only week 2 of school, but I am sure eventually he would get teased. Its not fair on him for me to be like this.
    I feel surprisingly well and energetic each day, but I am sure it could be much better if I was smaller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayla2010 View Post
    I have just been diagnosed with diabetes. I went to the Dr due to slow weight loss. Its been way too long ive been obese (put more info in my other thread).

    I NEED to get some weight off. I am truly getting desperate at the moment. For my health, and this high insulin level (which the dr says causes slow, or lack of weight loss). And for my children. I cant be this huge mummy dropping my oldest at school everyday. It is only week 2 of school, but I am sure eventually he would get teased. Its not fair on him for me to be like this.
    I feel surprisingly well and energetic each day, but I am sure it could be much better if I was smaller.
    Ayla, I don't have much to suggest, but I just wanted to say my heart goes out to you. It sounds like you're really stressed out.

    Please don't wory about protecting your son. If getting teased about his mum being overweight is the worst thing he encounters then he's not doing too badly! If you're concerned about him then teach him how to be sharp with his mind so he can answer the little thugs back

    The suggestions that you increase exercise sound good, and i reckon it would need to be high intensity as that way you'd get a strong metabolic response from the body.

    It's going to be okay.
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Currently I am actually not eating much, but I do not have any hunger.
    am - BP coffee or coffee with HWC and mct oil.
    late afternoon/dinner - Protein cooked in fat, some green veg, but not many.
    Afternoon/evening ill have a tea with HWC.
    Occasionally I will share an apple or banana with my youngest son.

    Yes I am aware its very little food but I truly can't fit in much more, I guess due to the higher fat content. I was eating an extra meal for a bit there, very similar to the other, but I can't always do it now.

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    Actually, protein has a much higher satiety index than fat does. Primal and Mark's wisdom seems to point to fat as the "great satiater" but I actually find it MUCH harder to eat a pound of lean chicken breasts than I do a pound of fatty sausage just to use an example. Even if I cook the chicken breasts with absolutely NO fat at all.

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    I think you need to eat more.

    IMO, starving yourself and eating so little won't help you lose any of that weight.

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    Drumroll, that is interesting.

    Zach, I don't know, hence my question. I guess my main one is if I lower my fat, is it likely to start to get to my body fat more?
    I am not intending to eat huge amounts of carbs. I have tested my blood sugar after things like a banana and its higher. The point of checking is to keep it lower is it not?

    For all I know, any way I eat is irrelevant if my insulin is so high right?

    This is all so damn confusing to me. I am so frustrated because of this. Life should not be so hard. There is more info on the diabetes thread I started. I should have just asked there.

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    And Zach I don't have the strength to argue you with today. I am just looking for help , that doesn't involve too much sugar, as I truly don't think its going to help my diabetes.

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    I think maybe you're underestimating just how much fat calories even the "leaner" meats have. Even when cooked in minimal oil they can still end up having over half the calories coming from fat. Don't take this as an insult but I think you're drastically underestimating the amount of fat calories you're consuming, which is extremely easy to do when you're dealing with fats because they're so calorie dense. Nearly all studies have shown that people dramatically miscalculate the amount of calories they're actually consuming. I was shocked a few weeks ago when I weighed the splash of coconut cream I put in my coffee. I thought it was about 50 calories worth, turns out it was almost 200. I think all this talk about you being in "starvation mode" is junk. True starvation mode is not only a rare occurrence but still only equates to a few hundred calories a day difference.


    Adding lots and lots of vegetables is a good idea, but I really don't think the bulletproof coffee's are helping your situation.
    Last edited by Forgotmylastusername; 02-15-2013 at 03:16 AM.

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