Low carb + lower fat page 9

[Ayla2010]

Most people who are anorexic and/or bulimic - at least, that have been recognised - are typically at a low/normal weight or just a little overweight to start with.

That's my take, anyway.

This I also wondered but surely this is not always the case

[itchy166]

Ayla--I don't want to add yet another idea to this incredible list of good--although I see how confusing--ideas coming down this thread. But you might consider signing up for Mark's new program that sets you up with a personal mentor who can sit down (virtually) with you and gather all this information into one form with one voice to help you (a) understand and (b) give you a plan that will help you with your journey. Just a thought...

+1 you beat me to that one.

[Annieh]

So eating 3 x a day leaner protein, lots of veg. Do you think that would help?

Ayla, it worked for me and I would think it is worth a try. That way of eating rapidly dealt with my bloating and menopausal symptoms as well as a few kilos of excess fat I was carrying. I did not have the level of problems that you are endeavouring to overcome though. I admire your determination to resolve your health issues, and wish you every success. I'm sure the weight thing will fall into line as well once you are doing right by your body.

[Ayla2010]

Ayla, have you considered herbs and spices to help with insulin resistance? They're no magic bullet, but they can be a part of a natural, diet-based solution for sure. Just a few examples:
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I am considering going to my naturopath anyway, and if I took herbs, it would be ones from her.

I agree with dragonfly. I think you are stressing yourself out and heading toward "analysis paralysis." At some point, you're going to just have to make a decision and *try* something.

I simply suggested how you adjust your macronutrient ratios since so many posts you said it would be difficult to increase your calories. If you are "comfortable" with 1200 calories right now (ie, it's no real effort), then adjust your *macros* and see what happens.

If you go to 100g of carbs, it's truly easy enough to do. I do it with non-starchy veggies and a piece or two of fruit (usually berries or citrus).

Once you calculate your protein needs, you'll go from there.

And you might discover that you start eating more. . . or stay the same. . . or whatever. You'll see. You're not likely to get it "perfect" on the first go. but you'll get more information, and that has value.

I will def try to change one thing at a time and go from there.

Ayla--I don't want to add yet another idea to this incredible list of good--although I see how confusing--ideas coming down this thread. But you might consider signing up for Mark's new program that sets you up with a personal mentor who can sit down (virtually) with you and gather all this information into one form with one voice to help you (a) understand and (b) give you a plan that will help you with your journey. Just a thought...

This could be a possibility.

Ayla, it worked for me and I would think it is worth a try. That way of eating rapidly dealt with my bloating and menopausal symptoms as well as a few kilos of excess fat I was carrying. I did not have the level of problems that you are endeavouring to overcome though. I admire your determination to resolve your health issues, and wish you every success. I'm sure the weight thing will fall into line as well once you are doing right by your body.

Thanks for that. I really appreciate it.
I do hope so

[Forgotmylastusername]

I think maybe you're underestimating just how much fat calories even the "leaner" meats have. Even when cooked in minimal oil they can still end up having over half the calories coming from fat. Don't take this as an insult but I think you're drastically underestimating the amount of fat calories you're consuming, which is extremely easy to do when you're dealing with fats because they're so calorie dense. Nearly all studies have shown that people dramatically miscalculate the amount of calories they're actually consuming. I was shocked a few weeks ago when I weighed the splash of coconut cream I put in my coffee. I thought it was about 50 calories worth, turns out it was almost 200. I think all this talk about you being in "starvation mode" is junk. True starvation mode is not only a rare occurrence but still only equates to a few hundred calories a day difference.


Adding lots and lots of vegetables is a good idea, but I really don't think the bulletproof coffee's are helping your situation.

[Zach]

These men starved on 1600 calories a day. A very normal nimber you would see men today trying to lose weight on.

Minnesota Starvation Experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Leida]

You will likely have 40 to 60 % of fat on this type of a plan, averaging around 50%. Even if your lean meat is Pollock and turkey breast. I was surprised when I put my day through a calculator a few days back. Note how almost all protein choices are very lean -I steamed my fish and boiled my eggs & micro'd egg whites, seafood gumbo was shrimps-, but it ended up with at least 40% fat iirc, with my 2 tbsp of oil for Shangri-La appetite supression (FitDay doesn't show the breakdown graph today, gods know why).

Egg, whole, boiled 2
Olive oil 2 tablespoon
Egg, white only, raw 1
cup
Beef, broth, bouillon, or consomme 1
cup
Grapefruit, raw 1
medium (approx 4" dia)
Seafood Gumbo, 1.5 cups 0.3
serving
Cabbage, green, raw 2
cup, chopped
Fish, flatfish (flounder and sole species), cooked, dry heat 225
grams
Jell-O Cup 4
serving
Whey Protein Isolate 1
serving
Cranberries, raw 1
cup, whole
Cheese, Cheddar or American type 20
grams

[itchy166]

These men starved on 1600 calories a day. A very normal nimber you would see men today trying to lose weight on.

Minnesota Starvation Experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Intersting link thanks. I'm always kind of shocked to see how little people will eat to lose weight. I have been slowly but steadily losing at 3000-3100kcal per day. I would be seriously cranky at 1600...

[Zach]

Intersting link thanks. I'm always kind of shocked to see how little people will eat to lose weight. I have been slowly but steadily losing at 3000-3100kcal per day. I would be seriously cranky at 1600...

Right. Most people wont eat 3000 calories even if they are not trying to lose weight. We have become a nation that fears the very things that gives us life.

[EagleRiverDee]

Protein requires one of the other two macronutrients (fat, or carbs) in order for you not to go into protein starvation. And I don't think HFLC is a bad thing, anyway- I would think it would be helping your diabetes by keeping your insulin spikes down. What about keeping your current macro ratios but cut back some on portions, or add resistance training (to up your metabolism)? Was your thyroid tested?