Hitting your kids page 24

[Mr.Perfidy]

Bruises and a bloody nose and black eyes are not injuries...They go away and leave no impaired anything after a few days.

Also obviously when I was counselling that mother to smack her kid as he attacked his brother, "so as not to cause any kind of physical damage" is implied.

You are off base. I can leave my front door right now and smack 40 people, and in 3 days, there will not be evidence that it ever happened except in their minds.

[namelesswonder]

Toddler who likes to climb book-shelves. There are loose, unstable book-shelves everywhere you go. You have a small baby which also requires attention, so you can't watch the toddler every second it's awake. Sometimes the toddler gets up before you, sometimes you need to attend to the house, sometimes you're answering a call/talking, sometimes you need to attend to the baby. Whenever your back is turned, the kid ends up halfway up a wobbling book-shelf. The kid has been twice rescued from a shelf before it collapsed on them, but has never fallen or had a shelf fall on them, and doesn't seem to believe it will really happen.
The kid has been explained that a falling shelf will hurt them. Response: "not scared of bumps". The kid has been told they could die, but doesn't seem to take it in. Whenever your back is turned, at home, at a friend's house, at playgroup, at the library, at the Drs... the kid climbs shelves. You're scared the child will kill itself. It's a cause of continual stress and worry. You can't take your eye off the child without worrying. What do you do to deter them from climbing the shelf?

I was a climber. Very young at the time though, probably under 2 yrs old. My parents would come in to check on me while I should have been sleeping and I'd be on top of the bookcase by the crib. They moved the crib, but I'd still climb out and get on the bookcase. They started waiting with me while I'd fall asleep and I didn't climb out after that.

I was too young to understand any kind of "consequence," sometimes you just have to wait out the behavior.

[Mr.Perfidy]

lol the anti-child violence people have more than once now advocated forcible mutilation of adults' genitals to the point of ending their functionality.

[namelesswonder]

Bruises and a bloody nose and black eyes are not injuries...They go away and leave no impaired anything after a few days.

Injury does not have to be permanent to leave a mark. You are not making any sense. Bruises and blood nose and black eyes = something broken = injury.

[canio6]

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...eply&p=1092939
IMO, a woman who would agree to that kind of arrangement would have be developmentally retarded in some major way, and definitely a victim of serious childhood trauma. And the man is preying on her broken mental state for his benefit. I don't see how it's any different than the way pimps and porn producers prey on women who've been raped and molested.

Do they have a right to arrange their relationship that way? Er, I guess so. But they should also be forcefully sterilized and never allowed to be alone around kids.

LOL Well, that is a rather strong opinion. How do you really feel? Also, it does go both ways with the woman being the dominant one. My wife's ex is in such a relationship. Is he developmentally retarded? He doesn't seem to be. Then again, as I said, I am not a psychologist. As for forced sterilization, I have a whole list of people who need it so perhaps we should join forces?

[Mr.Perfidy]

namelesswonder I think that the literal distinction between "hurt" and "injury" is whether biological performance is impaired. Slapping impairs no functions.*

*balls- unless you clap the ear. One of my brothers still can't go underwater because I did something bad to his ear-drum with a slap. It was in a "I mean to hurt you" fight though and not a, "I mean to impress terror upon your senses" discipline kinda slap

[Chaohinon]

also, it does go both ways with the woman being the dominant one. My wife's ex is in such a relationship. Is he developmentally retarded?

yes!

That level of lack of self-esteem is a major indicator of having unresolved childhood trauma. Believe me, I was raised by a clan of screeching harridans, and the only men in my life were ball-less cuckolds. It's taken every bit of effort I have not to grow up to be either a misogynistic woman-hater, or a pitiful supplicating beta.

It really doesn't take a PhD in psych to understand the cycle of abuse.

[cori93437]

Bruises and a bloody nose and black eyes are not injuries...They go away and leave no impaired anything after a few days.

Also obviously when I was counselling that mother to smack her kid as he attacked his brother, "so as not to cause any kind of physical damage" is implied.

You are off base. I can leave my front door right now and smack 40 people, and in 3 days, there will not be evidence that it ever happened except in their minds.

By definition... bruising, bloody noses, and black eyes are all injuries.

And if you go out and smack 40 people I imagine in 3 days there will be plenty of evidence that it happened... in your own mirror in the bruising you see there. Or in the photos filed in the police reports. Because violence begets violence...

[canio6]

yes

okay then.

[Mr.Perfidy]

And if you go out and smack 40 people I imagine in 3 days there will be plenty of evidence that it happened... in your own mirror in the bruising you see there. Or in the photos filed in the police reports. Because violence begets violence...

I see so it is wrong to teach ignorant children the basic structure of reality (regarding the relationships between forces of different magnitudes), but it seems to be the default with you anti-hitting people to immediately threaten adults with being beaten by cops.