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[RMS123]

I don't know the answer to this, but am interested in your thoughts. If you end up eating very few carbs, then do you think the protein can trend a hair higher, so that you total protein never exceeds what protein + carbs would yield?

[athomeontherange]

OK Gang, Sadly, I have to admit that I have been the Artificial Sweetener Queen almost the entire time that I have been Primal and even before that. Recently while on the EMF protocol, my intake has increased exponentially. Those BPCs taste soooo good with HWC and sweeteners. Last Saturday I completely dropped sweeteners from my life. I am NOT yet loving my black coffee, but other benefits are coming to light. I also dropped dairy. This will be a 30 day experiment. More on that later.

Interestingly, Robb Wolf says that when a client is having trouble losing weight, he asks 3 questions.
1)Do you use Artificial Sweeteners?
2)How much of your daily calorie intake is from dairy? (Dairy BTW is a Paleo no-no. So I was surprised that Robb's clients would be eating dairy.)
3)How is your sleep?

Here is an article that explains the negatives of sweetener intake.
The Dish on Sugar & Sweeteners | Balanced Bites | Holistic & Paleo Nutrition Education


BTW all you stevia enthusiasts. Apparently unless you are using the green stuff made from the ground leaf, you are using what amounts to an artificial sweetener. (Please don't kill the messenger. lol)

Great questions and the article about AS was so timely this morning I have dropped AS. My coffee had CM in it and was different but not horrible. I am going to try and grow stevia and dry it this summer.

[demuralist]

Salina, that sounds about right. Be sure to do some bouillon, it really does make a difference in those symptoms.

For me, it seems the EMF has made a positive difference in my sleep.

[252dlp]

I don't know the answer to this, but am interested in your thoughts. If you end up eating very few carbs, then do you think the protein can trend a hair higher, so that you total protein never exceeds what protein + carbs would yield?

Sorry, don't know the answer to this. I tend to err on the side of fat, but for me personally, going a little higher (just the amount of whatever carbs I didn't use, probably wouldn't make a lot of difference. I DO think the amount of protein I was eating before PB (almost 3x what I'm eating now) was WAY too much and probably caused at least some of my hunger/cravings.

[jenn26point2]

Hi all. Stepped away from this thread on Thursday as I was off work Friday and over the weekend. I always get so far behind when I'm away from this thread that getting back to it is very daunting. So I skipped reading yesterday too. I'm 12 pages behind. I think I'll just skip it all and jump back in here.

Still following the EMF. Reading the Drs' book now. The Art and Science of Low Carb Living. I got the performance version too. I'll read the first one and then when it's time to ramp up for half marathon training, I'll study the performance edition. So far I like what I'm reading.

Doing well so far. I'm on day 16 of the 21 day sugar detox coupled with EMF and I'm down 9 lbs. I feel it's necessary to give the disclaimer that these 9 lbs were part of the 12 I gained in February when I let myself eat wheat and sugar. But, 9 lbs is 9 lbs. 3 more pounds and I'll be back to my primal low. Looking forward to it.

[demuralist]

I don't know the answer to this, but am interested in your thoughts. If you end up eating very few carbs, then do you think the protein can trend a hair higher, so that you total protein never exceeds what protein + carbs would yield?

I bet you that there is some flexibility there. It looks like another N=1 experiment.

[honeybuns]

Paula, try canned coconut milk in your morning coffee instead of black. Once yo get used to the difference, it is actually quite taqsty.

[martinus]

I think we should compile a list of all the various formulas kicking around for how to calculate protein needs. Then people can pick and choose (maybe blend) their own. This can be a confusing topic. These are my numbers just for fun.

Sisson's PB says .7g/lb of Lean body mass (So at 150 and 20% that is 120X.7=84gr)
Kwasniewski's Optimal Diet says "Ideal" weight in kilos (140lbs=63.5k so 63.5gr) the trick here is how to define "ideal".
Phinney & Voleck say :according to this table How to Add More Fat to Your Low Carb Diet for Nutritional Ketosis my range as a 5'10" female would be anywhere from 81-169gr
Rosedale says:Welcome to Dr.Rosedale's Website Ideal weight in kilos-10% so for me 63.5-6.35=57.15gr


PLEASE HELP ME FILL IN ANY OTHERS YOU CAN THINK OF. THANKS.

In the Keto Calculator I use the average of the suggestions of Phinney & Voleck, and Lyle McDonald.

Lyle McDonald (author of "The Ketogenic Diet"), writes that for overweight individuals who want to lose weight 1.5 g/kg lean body mass is the minimum. More if you train or are lean (see here, it's a good read!)

Phinney & Volek wrote in the book "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance" that 0.6 g/lbs (1.32 g/kg) of lean body mass should be the minimum.

For the calculator I use 1.4 g/kg as the minimum, the average of the two numbers.

[jenn26point2]

In the Keto Calculator I use the average of the suggestions of Phinney & Voleck, and Lyle McDonald.

Lyle McDonald (author of "The Ketogenic Diet"), writes that for overweight individuals who want to lose weight 1.5 g/kg lean body mass is the minimum. More if you train or are lean (see here, it's a good read!)

Phinney & Volek wrote in the book "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance" that 0.6 g/lbs (1.32 g/kg) of lean body mass should be the minimum.

For the calculator I use 1.4 g/kg as the minimum, the average of the two numbers.

I liked your calculator. Kept it simple and easy to understand. Maybe the mods should just link to your calculator and have that be the official formula.

[Marinas Florin]

OK Gang, Sadly, I have to admit that I have been the Artificial Sweetener Queen almost the entire time that I have been Primal and even before that. Recently while on the EMF protocol, my intake has increased exponentially. Those BPCs taste soooo good with HWC and sweeteners. Last Saturday I completely dropped sweeteners from my life. I am NOT yet loving my black coffee, but other benefits are coming to light. I also dropped dairy. This will be a 30 day experiment. More on that later.

Interestingly, Robb Wolf says that when a client is having trouble losing weight, he asks 3 questions.
1)Do you use Artificial Sweeteners?
2)How much of your daily calorie intake is from dairy? (Dairy BTW is a Paleo no-no. So I was surprised that Robb's clients would be eating dairy.)
3)How is your sleep?

Here is an article that explains the negatives of sweetener intake.
The Dish on Sugar & Sweeteners | Balanced Bites | Holistic & Paleo Nutrition Education


BTW all you stevia enthusiasts. Apparently unless you are using the green stuff made from the ground leaf, you are using what amounts to an artificial sweetener. (Please don't kill the messenger. lol)

Hello Pebbles67. There is a lot of misinformation circulating on the webs regarding aspartame safety and because I wanted to address that issue, I just finished writing a detailed rapport on this subject: Are There Any Aspartame Side Effects Or Dangers Like Getting Cancer?

I hope I clarified the subject