Eat More Fat! The Nutritional Ketosis Challenge continues... page 192

[Primal123]

Wow, that's horrible. I'm so sorry. Isn't it awful that no matter how old we get on the outside, on the inside we're still young and vulnerable? I hope you find some peace soon, and that maybe some day down the track you can either repair this friendship (if you want to) or find new people to make you smile.

You hit the nail on the head. It was a startling and disconcerting feeling the other morning when I woke up and the very first thought in my mind was "I am unworthy." I have spent a great deal of time exploring why I would be feeling like that. I thought I was a reasonably secure with myself adult and this has just shook me up badly. I am not sure why, nor do I understand why I feel so terrible about a friendship where the other party is unwilling to continue our relationship after a problem. I've never had this happen before. Thanks again for listening and being such a supportive group.

[jenn26point2]

Thanks for the friend in MFP Jenn....I gotta get me some of that coconut milk, lol. I have been wanting coconut cream for a few weeks now. Every can I buy is too watery, which is funny because even as late as last year, even the "lite" coconut milk would solidify in my cabinets (I don't use heat in the winter). Now I buy the full fat coconut milk and can't get the dang thing to separate.

The diaries on MFP are VERY helpful, thank you all so much!

I get it at Walmart for $1.48 or so.

[demuralist]

The Trader Joes' canned coconut milk is really very much like HWC, I have never had it seperate out. It doesn't have any thickeners in it, and if yours doesn't either it might work, but maybe with more water? They have a Coconut Cream that is more like what most canned Coconut Milk is like, but it has other ingredients in it.

You can make coconut milk (like the cartoned, not the canned) by soaking dessicated or dried unsweetened coconut and then blending it in your blender and straining it through butter muslin (like cheesecloth with a tighter weave, they use it to make cheese). But once I figured out the Trader Joes' canned would work it is a lot less work.

With the canned I put the totals for the whole can into MFP recipe then put in 8 servings instead of 5 and it gave me about the same macros as the cartoned Coconut Milk. You could put the macros and keep changing the servings until you get the macros close to cartoned (about 30 to 40 calories per serving) and then add enough water to make that many 8 oz glasses. Hope I didn't just muddy the water with that explanation!

[primaLeaf]

Hey ya'll. Something is a bit off with me today - I'm really tired. Resolving some crappy bed issues in the near future, but what's strange is that yesterday I had similar or worse sleep and I was just bounding with energy. Food hasn't changed too much, though i did have some vegetables in the morning whereas I have generally been keeping it strictly fat/protein. Not experiencing any change in satiety and no cravings though, so I'm doubtful it's that. I wonder if it could be a side effect of the magnesium I started last night? I had some other, um, interesting experiences (described in my journal) that led be to believe that I should definitely decrease my dosage. Thoughts?

[OzK]

Just an interesting note in passing ...

I'm being guided by Pebble's sticky post on page 1, re: how to work out what to eat in what proportions. I multiplied it out to calories this morning, and my macros (goal weight 60 kg = 60 gm protein, 30 gm carb, 120 gm fat) comes to 1240 calories. Which is pretty much what standard weight loss wisdom suggests for a women my height. So there you go!

Also, somebody up-thread was asking about how to get the right fat intake. I apologise for not doing the direct quote thing. Anyhow, fwiw, here's my approach:

I scramble my 2 whole eggs with a good chunk of grass fed butter plus a tbspn of CO. I eat 1 small/1/2 large avocado with protein for lunch, with olive oil/lemon vinaigrette. I eat fatty protein for dinner, cooked in butter/CO - plus butter melted on my veggies, or cooked in butter/CO. Or else, if I'm having roast rack of lamb, I make sure to buy a small rack that's got a really big fat component, and eat all the fat along with buttery veg. Plus I have 3 mugs of broth a day, with a tbspn of CO in each mug. If in between meals I'm feeling too hungry to wait, I'll eat an oz of triple brie, which is also very high fat.

I haven't weighed every bit of fat yet, and I won't unless something goes wrong. I'm more eyeballing things and so far so good. For the record, 1 tbspn of CO is 14 gms fat. So I'm looking at roughly half my daily intake is CO, which is good for a lot of health things as well as the fat intake.

Hope that's of use to someone!

[tomi]

So I never thought I was much of an emotional eater but I recently had a falling out with my closest friend and we are no longer friends and yesterday it hit me that it seems like I may have lost some other friends as a result.

I'm so sorry......... How painful. But your thinking is going the right way - eating won't fix anything and you'll feel worse if you let the urge to eat take over. Jenn is right - sometimes a change of scenery can help you work things through.

Is there no hope for mending the friendship? It might feel like Middle School - but as adults we have the tools to work things out - to forgive and (sorta) forget, or at least choose to put aside things that hurt.

Feel free to vent here all you want - thats they we're all here. For support........... and we all need it!

[BklynGirl]

Just a question for all of you, how do you manage to keep your calories so low? I'm still working on upping the fat and replacing some of the protein, and I keep telling myself that hopefully hunger will come down once that happens, but I'm skeptical. I had gained weight recently and was losing steadily for a few weeks, then stopped--hence my EMF experiment. Could the increased hunger just be my body's reaction to losing fat? Also, just FYI I've been doing at least a 16 hour IF 4-5 times a week.

[OzK]

Just a question for all of you, how do you manage to keep your calories so low? I'm still working on upping the fat and replacing some of the protein, and I keep telling myself that hopefully hunger will come down once that happens, but I'm skeptical. I had gained weight recently and was losing steadily for a few weeks, then stopped--hence my EMF experiment. Could the increased hunger just be my body's reaction to losing fat? Also, just FYI I've been doing at least a 16 hour IF 4-5 times a week.

Hmm. Well, I'm a newbie here but I'll chuck in my .02c worth.

Firstly, I'd give the IF a miss for the time being. It could be messing with your system. Going EMF really puts your body in a crunch, switching over to totally fatburning mode.

Secondly, I'd check that your macro ratios are spot on - have you looked at the easy peasy formula Pebble's put as the first sticky post in this thread? Make sure you're not under eating your fat levels.

It can take up to a week for your system to even out to the very low carb, since your body keeps looking for glucose to fuel you, not yet realising it's got abundant fat stores to burn.

If all else fails, try upping your protein and fat intake by a couple of ounces. And make sure you're adequately hydrated.

Most of all, good luck!

[primaLeaf]

Hmm. Well, I'm a newbie here but I'll chuck in my .02c worth.

Firstly, I'd give the IF a miss for the time being.

This.

Disclaimer: I'm not tracking my macros or my calories, and I've only been doing LCHF (emphasis on the LC) for a bit.

That said, I've done the breakfast-skipping IF off and on for pretty substantial periods of time. It was okay but I was absolutely eating more in two meals than I am in three now because I was also experiencing way more hunger signals. This protocol feels really, really different than IF did for me.

So far, I've been starting the day with bulletproof coffee and eggs (and sometimes an additional meat). I've found that it really keeps the hunger manageable throughout the day.

Also, in the couple of times where I've been able to shift into ketosis quickly and fairly painlessly I was REALLY LC, like, the only carbs I was getting were the ones that were incidental in things like macadamia nuts or coconut milk. A couple of days without veggies is not catastrophic, IMO. If I'm not mistaken, this is similar to what the ladies around here refer to as a "fat fast," though I wasn't necessarily trying very hard to keep protein low.

As always, ymmv, but at any rate, good luck!

[Pebbles67]

Just a question for all of you, how do you manage to keep your calories so low? I'm still working on upping the fat and replacing some of the protein, and I keep telling myself that hopefully hunger will come down once that happens, but I'm skeptical. I had gained weight recently and was losing steadily for a few weeks, then stopped--hence my EMF experiment. Could the increased hunger just be my body's reaction to losing fat? Also, just FYI I've been doing at least a 16 hour IF 4-5 times a week.

Many of us are not eating low calorie. I aim for my BMR (1750-calories my body would burn in a coma), which is about 30% below my true calorie burn with exercise. I do not believe that people should eat below BMR, but some on here do. 1) If you calculate your macros for your goal weight based on the formula on the first page, it should give you a good amount of calories for your height. Choose a weight that is within a logical range for your height. I am 5'10. The low end of the range for me is 150, but I was skinny at 165 once upon a time so that is my goal. 2) Or you could figure out your BMR. and calculate your macros from that.

If you are aiming for ketosis, you need to keep your carbs below 50. Mine are actually below 20. Too much protein can also keep you out of ketosis. To much of either macro can also keep you hungry. Once you are solidly in ketosis, you should see the hunger go down. Make sure you are eating enough.

Good Luck.