Eat More Fat! The Nutritional Ketosis Challenge continues... page 175

[Gladmorning]

And a welcome to the fellow newbies!

You know what astonishes me? How much we over eat, without ever thinking about it. I'm faithfully following Pebbles' guideline from page 1, and it's really adequate food, and yet ... there's not a lot of it. So wow. We as a culture have so allowed ourselves to slide into gluttony! Not meaning to, really. Just by not being mindful. By having so much at our fingertips. And all that mindless munching. It's amazing how different things are when the mindless munching stops.

Ya'll ever hear "clear your plate" or "eat all your food, there are starving children..." Yeah, I did. a lot of people did. So when we become adults, that's still ingrained in us. Etched to our very core. So, going to a restaurant where a "meal" is about what three people should eat, we're conditioned to "clear your plate."

Just a thought.

[eKatherine]

Ya'll ever hear "clear your plate" or "eat all your food, there are starving children..." Yeah, I did. a lot of people did. So when we become adults, that's still ingrained in us. Etched to our very core. So, going to a restaurant where a "meal" is about what three people should eat, we're conditioned to "clear your plate."

Just a thought.

Absolutely. Programming us to ignore our hunger by eating everything that is on our plates is one of the worst things parents do to their kids.

I was raised to clean my plate "for the starving children in India". We were proud how well we cleaned our plates, regardless of how much was there, whether it was tasty or awful, or who had decided how much to put on it.

Of course, we weren't allowed to put on our plates only what we were hungry for. They had to be heaped high with food. It was a point of pride how much food we were able to pack down.

How'd that work out for starving kids in India, Mom? Didn't work out so well for me.

[pamola10]

I am noticing that I am not really hungry enough to eat all that I have prepared and recorded. This is another indication of ketosis, I guess, though those fat bombs last night were very filling. And I have to wonder about my moderate ketones this morning: due to metabolizing my personal fat or my dietary fat?

Doesn't matter too much. I am feeling slightly better, less foggy anyway, though I am still dropping things (this is a work burnout, I think, and not related overmuch to diet).

Need to get OFF the scale. I do best with weekly weighing but have been obsessing with the thing this week. It can be SO motivating (and of course the opposite is also possible).

I have been over calories and carbs but doing better about hitting the protein and fat macros...closer, anyway. Being over on carbs still means under 35 gm a day so I am not going to worry about that too much. I am hoping to get into some easy patterns of eating and working out so that when I go back to work (next week) it isn't too much to think about.

In the meantime, still have work to do (to catch up before people come back into the office next week) and decluttering around the house, and all of the usual things.

By the way, I threw cocoa nibs and sunflower seeds into the fat bombs. I was afraid that I would binge on them but wow, that's a LOT of fat...it would be really hard to binge on those things unless I really sweetened them up, which I didn't do.

Oh, I was checking out powdered stevia at the grocery store today, in the "organic" section, and the stuff (can't remember the brand name) has maltodextrin in it! And erithritol...I don't know how I react to that but other sugar alcohols are not so good.

Now I have to go and check the liquid stevia I bought last week. I usually don't mess with sugar substitutes because I respond behaviourally just like to sugar but I was persuaded by this thread to think about it. I am eager to try someone's (sorry) bullet-proof matcha green tea (was that you, Pebbles?) as soon as I can find the tea.

[honeybuns]

Orranhawk did a Whole 30 and cut out the stevia, which she thought was relatively benign, and within two days discovered that it was what had been causing her a number of issues she couldn't shake.

[geostump]

Absolutely. Programming us to ignore our hunger by eating everything that is on our plates is one of the worst things parents do to their kids.

I was raised to clean my plate "for the starving children in India". We were proud how well we cleaned our plates, regardless of how much was there, whether it was tasty or awful, or who had decided how much to put on it.

Of course, we weren't allowed to put on our plates only what we were hungry for. They had to be heaped high with food. It was a point of pride how much food we were able to pack down.

How'd that work out for starving kids in India, Mom? Didn't work out so well for me.

This is what I do with my kids. I don't pull the starving kid in India routine. I just let them eat when they want. If dinner isn't ready and they want something, they can eat. I'd rather them eat when they are hungry versus when I have food ready. I know with 5 of us in the house, it'll all be eaten eventually. The only night that everything seems to get eaten at the same time is on Tuesdays. That is called "Taco Tuesdays" in our house and is probably the only night I can guarantee no leftovers.

[geostump]

The only fat bomb I have now is my bulletproof coffee. I may have a hot tea in the evening with some CO if I want it. The rest of the day I eat food with a lot of fat in it and that helps.

[252dlp]

I too had the starving kids in China thing. I tried to reason with my mom way back then that what was on my plate had nothing to do with people in China, but she wouldn't have it. Still it is part of my upbrining, so it's hard to shake sometimes. I continue to overeat, but I know that once I get into ketosis my appetitie will subside. I just seem to be having a bit of trouble getting there. Today will be a much better day in that regard. I've got everything planned out until dinner.

[eKatherine]

This is what I do with my kids. I don't pull the starving kid in India routine. I just let them eat when they want. If dinner isn't ready and they want something, they can eat. I'd rather them eat when they are hungry versus when I have food ready. I know with 5 of us in the house, it'll all be eaten eventually. The only night that everything seems to get eaten at the same time is on Tuesdays. That is called "Taco Tuesdays" in our house and is probably the only night I can guarantee no leftovers.

Most people can't leave a skinny kid alone. I recall an intelligent woman at the lunch table describing how a houseful of adults would browbeat one kid to get her to eat more, convinced that if they didn't do this the kid would literally stop eating and starve to death. I could only think of how they had trained the kid to see mealtime as a game to rile up the adults.

When I first moved into the house I live in, I didn't have a stove here. Every day for a month until I got the stove my 2 year old daughter wanted carrots for supper. Did I get sick of microwaved carrots or what? And then when she went to school, every day she had a peanut butter sandwich, plain or with chocolate, until she got into high school and started bringing leftovers. After she graduated she thanked me for letting her have what she wanted, while all the other kids were bringing in stuff their parents forced on them.

My boyfriend's mother is Korean and grew up in true poverty. She would serve small portions, and you had to eat your portion before she would ask you if you wanted more. His American grandparents tried to force him to eat once, and he vomited at the dinner table. It happened only once.

[jenn26point2]

I don't force my kids to eat what is on their plate. I try to plate up just a small amount of food for them. Sometimes they eat it, sometimes they don't. Every night while I'm making dinner, they're complaining of being hungry and rummaging through the fridge for things like string cheese, hotdogs, etc. We are on our last pack of hotdogs and I won't buy any more. I have a fridge that is fully stocked with apples, pears, strawberries, blueberries, cheese (3 kinds), and bananas on the counter. They are allowed to eat any of that stuff they want before dinner, and skip dinner if they're full when it's ready.

[jenn26point2]

3 of my 11 lbs is gone - overnight - just like that. Not practicing the low carb thing right now - just getting back into the groove of eating primally after my week off. Will start working toward ketosis again tomorrow.