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[jenn26point2]

Hi all, great thread, was low carb for a fair while last year, have upped my carbs(sweet potatoes and fruit) recently due to my ever increasing LDL, 293 and rising!
Felt good doing VLC, and want to try again, but my doc wants me on a lower fat diet. My cholesterol was always better on lower fat, higher carbs.
Curious, are you guys doing this to lose weight or any other health reasons, or just that you feel good on VLC?

There are a lot of studies out there that show that high fat is good for your brain and gut, thus mental health.
There are a lot of studies out there that show that high fat does not cause heart disease.
There are a lot of studies out there that show a high fat low carb diet is anti-cancer - and ketogenic can actuall kill cancer.

There are a lot of studies that show high carb causes a rise in triglyceride values and while high fat may increase total cholesterol, they also increase HDL and change the composition of the LDL (from small particles that cause inflammation to large particles that do not).

I'd suggest doing your own research instead of full-on trusting your doctor. Your doctor is fed information that is old and ever changing. Then I'd present this info to your doctor. I'd also do my own experiments, tested through bloodwork to see what really works for you. I found that by eliminating carbs (grains only at the time) reduced my triglycerides from 141 to 63 in 3 months time. My HDL stayed the same and my LDL decreased too (but I don't have the numbers, so I don't know the values right now), as did my total cholesterol.

I don't have a comparison of HFLC yet. That test will be done in 2 months.

[jenn26point2]

I once read that to up your spirits especially in winter to use lotions that smell like coconut because it reminds you of summer.

That's a good idea!! Might help with seasonal affective disorder.

[252dlp]

Curious, are you guys doing this to lose weight or any other health reasons, or just that you feel good on VLC?

All of the above for me. My cholesterol has always been much better when I do a lower carb, higher fat diet. I have traditionally had more energy and in general I just feel better. My body does not process sugars well, any kind of sugars, so even though ocassionally I ignore that for some periods of time, I generally try to keep the carb count under 150-200 g per day no matter which way of eating I am doing at the time. Traditionally, my body seems to deal much better with fat and protein than with fiber and carbs. Go figure.

[geostump]

I posted a new recipe in the EMF Recipe Group --- check it out. Let me know what you think. My son created it. I think its wonderful!!!! Chicken/Bacon Fry.

That sounds amazing! I may have to try this out soon!

[JonnyH]

There are a lot of studies out there that show that high fat is good for your brain and gut, thus mental health.
There are a lot of studies out there that show that high fat does not cause heart disease.
There are a lot of studies out there that show a high fat low carb diet is anti-cancer - and ketogenic can actuall kill cancer.

There are a lot of studies that show high carb causes a rise in triglyceride values and while high fat may increase total cholesterol, they also increase HDL and change the composition of the LDL (from small particles that cause inflammation to large particles that do not).

I'd suggest doing your own research instead of full-on trusting your doctor. Your doctor is fed information that is old and ever changing. Then I'd present this info to your doctor. I'd also do my own experiments, tested through bloodwork to see what really works for you. I found that by eliminating carbs (grains only at the time) reduced my triglycerides from 141 to 63 in 3 months time. My HDL stayed the same and my LDL decreased too (but I don't have the numbers, so I don't know the values right now), as did my total cholesterol.

I don't have a comparison of HFLC yet. That test will be done in 2 months.

Hi

Thanks for reply, I have done a fair bit of research over the years, and am convinced LC is the way to go for a variety of reasons.
Just frustrated that since going LC my Cholesterol has consistently risen each year. My HDL(90) and trigs(62) are pretty good I think, just the LDL is of concern to me.
The doc I'm seeing is a blood specialist, not a regular GP.
I've cut out cheese recently, and cut down on liver(once a week now) and eggs(4/5 a week now), and will test again in a few months.
Thanks

[Pebbles67]

JonnyH - I know this may sound counter intuitive, but how high was your fat intake when you previusly did VLC?

Some people do better with a percentage of fat intake between 70-80% of calories.
Not sure how HFLC is affecting cholesterol, but since I believe the tests are flawed, I don't really care.
Look up the thread "Griff's cholesterol primer" her on MDA

I do HFLC for a binge eating disorder, cancer prevention and weight loss.

[jenn26point2]

Hi

Thanks for reply, I have done a fair bit of research over the years, and am convinced LC is the way to go for a variety of reasons.
Just frustrated that since going LC my Cholesterol has consistently risen each year. My HDL(90) and trigs(62) are pretty good I think, just the LDL is of concern to me.
The doc I'm seeing is a blood specialist, not a regular GP.
I've cut out cheese recently, and cut down on liver(once a week now) and eggs(4/5 a week now), and will test again in a few months.
Thanks

The big thing to look at with LDL is the TYPE of LDL. The small particles is what you need to worry about. Small particle cause systemic inflammation and heart disease. The LARGE particles of LDL do not as they're too big to fit between the endothelial cells. Robb Wolf talks about the types of LDL and explains why a high LDL is not necessarily bad depending on the size in The Paleo Solution. I tried to find something on his website, but came up empty handed (unless you want to review a bunch of podcast episodes - which I cannot do presently as I am at work).

[Ddraig Goch]

In my experience most cravings that cannot be satisfied are a result of an imbalance in your diet. You end up allowing yourself to eat something that does not remedy that deficit.


I don't know how much protein you are consuming. When you get the munchies, perhaps you should cook yourself a piece of meat and eat it slowly, one bite at a time, stopping when you have had enough.

Or maybe you just need to eat more at lunch so you won't get cravings in the evening.

Last night was just an experiment really – I have always been a notorious night snacker until I started IF & EMF. I have never tracked what I ate during one of these sessions before – I would just constantly snack without thinking about it then ‘start again’ the next day.

My other big problem with food is that I cant ‘just have a piece’ of anything I fancy (e.g. 90% chocolate), I always end up eating it all at once. I had hoped that my new way of eating had stopped this, which is why I bought the extra thick cream & Gouda. I was in the supermarket, fancied it & assumed I could now have a bit every day as a treat. Clearly I’m not there yet mind wise (the cream did last 3 days so its getting better) so I decided that if I was going to have an ‘off night’ there would be no guilt, I would track it & try and think about why.

The only reason I posted it here really is because I was surprised to have lost after it. I read the other day that NK is more about limiting the protein rather than about limiting the calories. So maybe this just proves a point – that going off piste calorie wise occasional wont hurt, as long a the ratios are kept the same.

Going forward, I simply won't buy anything which I know is likely to cause a problem

[Ddraig Goch]

You can use unrefined, but you'll smell like you're headed to the tanning bed with all that awesome coconutty fragrance wafting about. I use refined so I don't smell like coconut. Either version is perfectly fine for skin care.

Thanks. Actually refined was what I meant to say, unrefined is the good stuff

[CavemanJoe]

Ddraig Goch - where in Wales are you from?