Funny CW moments page 382

[Dracil]

Any of you on the Penny Arcade forums? There's some serious CW goosery in their weight loss thread. Well, the one in social entropy, which in general is filled with more silliness (unfortunately, the one in the debate and discourse forum is kinda slow).

A: "Oh it'll definitely have to change. Between high cholesterol and probable diabetes (should know in a few days), I definitely need to reduce the amount of fat, especially animal fat, that I'm taking in. Less red meat, and less meat overall. And both Jess and I eat more sweets than we should. We're on the path to eating even better, so it won't be a huge deal since we both like to cook most of our meals. But it will definitely mean some changes. So less red meat, less fats (especially bad fats), smaller portions of meat, less sugar, and more veg in general.
Fortunately Jess is awesome and is very supportive, so that will make it much easier."

So I responded with, highlighting the meats and fats section: "Does not compute. Where are you getting this? Invariably, every "animal foods make you unhealthy" study I've seen has turned out to be filled with confounding factors, correlation = causation media hype, and/or data that actually *goes against* that conclusion.

Now, there are definitely unhealthy fats, but I'd say most of it is in the form of all the "vegetable" oils that became popular in the past few decades rather than the animal fats our great grandparents grew up and cooked with. "

This was followed by the following responses:

A: No, bacon is not healthy for you.
B: Our great grandparents died at age 65. You might not want to take them as your first example.
C: But cavemen ate nothing but bacon and look at them!
D (with a Ron Swanson avatar): The best part about the paleo diet is the horrible constipation and the fact that you stink constantly. But you lose 10 pounds!
A: Yeah, I have a friend who's really into the paleo diet. While it's not an unhealthy diet overall, the rationale for it is stupid as fuck and you can definitely eat just as if not more healthy by including some foods in moderation that would be excluded under paleo.
B: Yeah, and I don't know if I want to mimic the diet of someone who expected to die of infection or mammoth stampede before the age of 50.

Then it devolved into talking about eating gummis and getting diabetes. Serious facepalm.

[Mogs]

I used to lurk in the weight loss/fitness threads on the penny arcade forums, but after adopting a primal way of eating/living, it was really frustrating for me to continue to read them, so I haven't been on there lately.

I had a friend over last night who had eaten some pre-packaged tomato basil soup (with a daunting ingredients list) with bread.
Her: If I had to cut out gluten/grains, I don't know what I would eat.
Me: Real food.

[Shawn Mihalik]

Actually, it's a supplement and nutrition shake similar to Mark's Primal Fuel (although it does have more carbs than Primal Fuel, but not a ton). If someone's using it for weight loss, they're probably using with the wrong goals in mind. In fact, I took a look at the ingredients list, and it looks fairly Primal to me, except for the tropical version, which is vegan and I believe uses soy protein instead of whey.

I believe Beachbody encourages using Shakeology in conjunction with p90x2 for recovery and muscle gain. Of course, I've been seeing great results without it just by eating Primaly.

[Fabbecky]

Actually, it's a supplement and nutrition shake similar to Mark's Primal Fuel (although it does have more carbs than Primal Fuel, but not a ton). If someone's using it for weight loss, they're probably using with the wrong goals in mind. In fact, I took a look at the ingredients list, and it looks fairly Primal to me, except for the tropical version, which is vegan and I believe uses soy protein instead of whey.

I believe Beachbody encourages using Shakeology in conjunction with p90x2 for recovery and muscle gain. Of course, I've been seeing great results without it just by eating Primaly.

Beachbody encourages shakeology with everything - mainly because you have to keep buying it.... Not a weightloss shake, not and awful supplement but making a shake out of real foods (which I do frequently) tastes better and costs far less - shakeology is $100+ for one 5lb bag, and depending on how often you are drinking it...

[sapphire_chan]

B: Yeah, and I don't know if I want to mimic the diet of someone who expected to die of infection or mammoth stampede before the age of 50.

I think this one wins the "Are You F--ing Kidding??" award.

[Corvidae]

Any of you on the Penny Arcade forums? There's some serious CW goosery in their weight loss thread. Well, the one in social entropy, which in general is filled with more silliness (unfortunately, the one in the debate and discourse forum is kinda slow).

A: "Oh it'll definitely have to change. Between high cholesterol and probable diabetes (should know in a few days), I definitely need to reduce the amount of fat, especially animal fat, that I'm taking in. Less red meat, and less meat overall. And both Jess and I eat more sweets than we should. We're on the path to eating even better, so it won't be a huge deal since we both like to cook most of our meals. But it will definitely mean some changes. So less red meat, less fats (especially bad fats), smaller portions of meat, less sugar, and more veg in general.
Fortunately Jess is awesome and is very supportive, so that will make it much easier."

So I responded with, highlighting the meats and fats section: "Does not compute. Where are you getting this? Invariably, every "animal foods make you unhealthy" study I've seen has turned out to be filled with confounding factors, correlation = causation media hype, and/or data that actually *goes against* that conclusion.

Now, there are definitely unhealthy fats, but I'd say most of it is in the form of all the "vegetable" oils that became popular in the past few decades rather than the animal fats our great grandparents grew up and cooked with. "

This was followed by the following responses:

A: No, bacon is not healthy for you.
B: Our great grandparents died at age 65. You might not want to take them as your first example.
C: But cavemen ate nothing but bacon and look at them!
D (with a Ron Swanson avatar): The best part about the paleo diet is the horrible constipation and the fact that you stink constantly. But you lose 10 pounds!
A: Yeah, I have a friend who's really into the paleo diet. While it's not an unhealthy diet overall, the rationale for it is stupid as fuck and you can definitely eat just as if not more healthy by including some foods in moderation that would be excluded under paleo.
B: Yeah, and I don't know if I want to mimic the diet of someone who expected to die of infection or mammoth stampede before the age of 50.

Then it devolved into talking about eating gummis and getting diabetes. Serious facepalm.

I wish I was more surprised I mean, the hard-core nerds are My People afterall, I know what its like. But then, I also think it makes me MORE upset when I see nerds scoff at what Im doing. Hell, many of them scoff at healthy living IN GENERAL, no matter what school its from. They just dont see maintaining their body as important.

[Shawn Mihalik]

Beachbody encourages shakeology with everything - mainly because you have to keep buying it.... Not a weightloss shake, not and awful supplement but making a shake out of real foods (which I do frequently) tastes better and costs far less - shakeology is $100+ for one 5lb bag, and depending on how often you are drinking it...

Oh, I totally agree with you here. Shakeology and other overpriced supplement shakes are completely unnecessary, and I certainly don't buy them myself. I was just clarifying that Shakeology isn't bad as far as those things go.

[Dracil]

I wish I was more surprised I mean, the hard-core nerds are My People afterall, I know what its like. But then, I also think it makes me MORE upset when I see nerds scoff at what Im doing. Hell, many of them scoff at healthy living IN GENERAL, no matter what school its from. They just dont see maintaining their body as important.

I considered replying, but decided not to bother. Later update confirmed he had diabetes and was prescribed several drugs including statins. If he'd rather mock those trying to help him and take statins and other pills till he dies than actually *be* healthy, well he is just another random dude on the internet to me after all. *shrug*

[Jaradel]

Actually, it's a supplement and nutrition shake similar to Mark's Primal Fuel (although it does have more carbs than Primal Fuel, but not a ton). If someone's using it for weight loss, they're probably using with the wrong goals in mind. In fact, I took a look at the ingredients list, and it looks fairly Primal to me, except for the tropical version, which is vegan and I believe uses soy protein instead of whey.

I believe Beachbody encourages using Shakeology in conjunction with p90x2 for recovery and muscle gain. Of course, I've been seeing great results without it just by eating Primaly.

Beachbody encourages shakeology with everything - mainly because you have to keep buying it.... Not a weightloss shake, not and awful supplement but making a shake out of real foods (which I do frequently) tastes better and costs far less - shakeology is $100+ for one 5lb bag, and depending on how often you are drinking it...

Oh, I totally agree with you here. Shakeology and other overpriced supplement shakes are completely unnecessary, and I certainly don't buy them myself. I was just clarifying that Shakeology isn't bad as far as those things go.

Can you think of a good reason why a 12 year old girl would need to drink a Shakeology shake? Not trying to be snarky, I really am looking for an honest answer.

[Dirlot]

Chatting to a type 1 diabetic co-worker today and he brought up how it is hard at work when people bring in treats. I mention that I cut out wheat etc and we started chatting. During the conversation he said "you know I went to the doc saying how bad he felt after eating bread, and how it seemed to mess with his blood sugar" Doc told him to keep eating it because "bread and grains are healthy".

On the plus side he is now going to read the Primal Blue Print and Wheat Belly to quote him "It looks like I won't be eating bread anymore"