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    Quote Originally Posted by campanella View Post
    Thank you answerers. Louisa- I think you're right, but it's the stigma that deters me from that route. the stress would wreak more havoc than overeating does.

    Seahorse, I read Mark's blog but not the book. I'm a little unclear of the fat burning v. sugar burning scenario. Right now I eat a lot of fruit and potatoes every day, as a staple, as well as dairy, although not grains (and only recently have I started eating sugar again.) Is 150-200 g carbs per day impeding fat burning metabolism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by campanella View Post
    Seahorse, I read Mark's blog but not the book. I'm a little unclear of the fat burning v. sugar burning scenario. Right now I eat a lot of fruit and potatoes every day, as a staple, as well as dairy, although not grains (and only recently have I started eating sugar again.) Is 150-200 g carbs per day impeding fat burning metabolism?
    I haven't read the blog and I am not the big specialist some other people here seem to be - that can explain what and why so confidently. I rather took whats necessary for me, the basics and did not store the theoretical explanations in my brain. If I'll need them, I'll take the book. Which at the moment is lent to my friend. But as far as I remember the carb curve was like that: up to 50 g of carbs per day would be ketosis - fast weight loss, but I decided its not for me, too complicated to follow if I'm doing it right. 50-100g a day would be the "sweet spot" for weight loss and relatively easy to follow, especially with the help of online tools, I used fitdaycom to understand how much everything is and what my typical day looks like. 100-150 would be daily amount for somebody who is sporty and doesn't need weight loss. Over that is too much for anybody, I believe that yes, it will impede fat burning metabolism. As I understand - the very first month or so you better do very strict primal and may only experiment what will work better for you after you have switched over, not during. In the book it said (from my memory, but you can always check) - no dairy, no starches (potatoes), little fruit (check - some fruit like bananas give really lots of carbs). Have you looked up Mark's sample daily menu - the one with 22 almond kernels, etc? It doesn't have too much fruit in it.
    This is only beating around the bush, you really should get at least the "PB" book ar even better + "21 days" and some cookbook. Otherways you get your information in bits and pieces, in the book it is all nicely put in order and easy to understand, remember and fun to read (Mark has talent of a writer, this theme anybody else would make stiff boring).

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    I think you would find a lot of support from overeaters anonymous or food addicts in recovery anonymous. Everyone in these groups would be just like you so they would not look at you with shaming eyes. They'd instead nod their heads knowing exactly how you feel and tell you to keep coming back.
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    I think the last thing in the world you need is to start worrying about eliminating food groups or macro ratios.

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    I agree on the personal stress.

    I experienced the same problem in college, and let me tell you, the only way to overcome is is to accept things for the way they are, ride out the binges since they decline over a long period of time, and eventually your appetite will normalize. Mine almost finally has, after damaging my eating habits 4 years ago. I never overeat until I am uncomfortable anymore, though sometimes I do overeat because I love food and chocolate, especially.

    The only thing that you can change is the way you think and the fact that you can't control everything meticulously. Let go, and so will the stress.

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    The problem isn't that you're binging. The problem is that you're being so hard on yourself about it. I'm a 20 year old girl/woman and I used to do exactly what you're doing to yourself, right down to running cross country to prevent gaining weight from all the junk I ate. Certain foods can definitely be triggers--for me, dairy is the WORST. Dairy is also highly insulinogenic--it triggers a huge insulin response, which will make you crave even more sugar. Also, you didn't mention any veggies. EAT YOUR VEGGIES. They're good, they're good for you, they'll make you happy, they'll fill you up... I used to eat nothing but packaged junk and now I crave salad. People can change. Taste buds have a lifespan of only 8 days, so if you make it past that first week without eating a certain food (let's say yogurt), you'll forget what you ever liked about it.

    If you can, try to keep to "primal" foods. You're allowed to eat. You're allowed to eat a lot. You're allowed to eat 'til you're stuffed. Sooner or later, you'll learn not to overeat just like a kid learns not to touch a hot stove, but you have to give yourself some room to breathe. Throw out your scale, forget about your weight, forget about your parents breathing down your neck, and just be. I can tell from your second post that you know that you're eating out of boredom, which is awesome 'cause that makes it that much easier to solve your problem. You like being around other people, but that's not always an option. Read, watch a movie, play with an animal, learn an instrument, exercise... there's lots of things you can do to make your own fun. Not the least of which is.... eating! So yeah, it's okay to eat. Eat as much as you want. If you eat so much you feel sick, though, don't beat yourself up about it, just try and take a step back and say, yeah, I did that, now why did I do that? Because I'm bored, because I'm lonely, because he canceled our plans, because she said she couldn't tonight she had to "study"... Maybe keep a journal. Write that stuff down. You've got your shit way more figured out than I did at your age. You're headed in the right direction.

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    It sounds like you are using food to cover up some feelings/emotions. This is nothing to be ashamed of because we all have some way of doing this, some people more than others. It's just that the method you're using to avoid looking at your feelings will (and is) having a direct effect on your health and body.

    Trying to spend time on the nuts and bolts of Primal eating right now seems like it would be putting the cart before the horse, though certainly you have chosen the best path for wellness with the Primal blueprint. For now, dear girl, help your heart. When you do this, following the diet will be incredibly easier and probably start falling into place. Getting in touch with Overeaters Anonymous could definitely be helpful, but as someone who tried to do a group style therapy as a teen, I was a little intimidated. However, it might be really helpful and build understanding and compassion for yourself that you are not alone out there. The other important step I would highly recommend is to call your health insurance provider, get a list of psychologists in your network, and start seeing one privately; this can be infinitely helpful in really looking at what's driving your current destructive patterns, understanding them, and changing them. You can work through your issues and move past this. Sending you mountains of luck and encouragement!

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    Also noticed that you only get about 900 k.calories a day. Thats not enough. You see, you have to get calories from the right foods, not starve yourself while overeating the wrong ones. I did not know that dairy can make one carve sugar, possibly me too have to cut out more dairy (although I don't consume much now).
    And beware of trolls. Forum is full of them and your thread is no exception. Primal is a correct way to go.

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    Maybe try overeaters anonymous, or get yourself a therapist to treat your disordered eating. And stop buying the stuff on which you binge, a few apples aren't too bad but bars of chocolate...don't keep them in your pantry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by denisedb View Post
    It sounds like you are using food to cover up some feelings/emotions. This is nothing to be ashamed of because we all have some way of doing this, some people more than others. It's just that the method you're using to avoid looking at your feelings will (and is) having a direct effect on your health and body.

    The other important step I would highly recommend is to call your health insurance provider, get a list of psychologists in your network, and start seeing one privately; this can be infinitely helpful in really looking at what's driving your current destructive patterns, understanding them, and changing them. You can work through your issues and move past this. Sending you mountains of luck and encouragement!
    this x2

    Quote Originally Posted by SeaHorse View Post
    Also noticed that you only get about 900 k.calories a day. Thats not enough.
    and this as well.
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